smoking ban

Originally posted by ScreaminEagle:
but when the government enforces a smoking ban, it is fascism in my mind.

Facism, except that the fine folks of DC elected the city council that voted for the ban.

Other than that, yes, it was Facism.

How 'bout if you need to smoke so badly, you go outside and enjoy your fag? Why should I have to suffer through your addictive habit?

That's why I prefer albums to concerts. No puppets.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
jon stewart recently said something great on the daily show recently (in an interview with washpost reporter juliet eilperin): "this country is run by extremists because moderates have shit to do"

Actually, it's because most moderates are apathetic.

i'd say that "political apathy" and "shit to do" kind of go hand-in-hand … additionally, i'd argue that moderates aren't necessarily "apathetic", but merely that they have a broader interest base and don't fixate on pet topics

there are lots of examples of this … "common-sense" gun safety measures (not banning all guns, just simple stuff like chamber load indicators and magazine disconnect safeties) are supported by more than 80% of people surveyed, but these people generally don't make gun safety a priority in whatever political advocacy they do … on the other hand, the 10% or so of the population who are highly motivated about "2nd amendment rights" (and related corporate interests) make this issue their #1 priority and specifically advocate on the topic … i wonder who wins out in the end?

the same logic holds true with a whole host of public policy concerns

it doesn't necessarily mean that moderates are apathetic (although some certainly are), but really just that they don't put all their political weight behind one or two issues

our political system is set up – fairly or not – to reward those who make singular issues like "gun rights" or public smoking bans a priority in voting and political advocacy

Originally posted by vansmack:

How 'bout if you need to smoke so badly, you go outside and enjoy your fag? Why should I have to suffer through your addictive habit?

how come every time someone disagrees with these smoking bans, people think its because they cant stand to be without a cigarette.

one of the biggest times i wish i didnt smoke (and there's only few, for i like smoking!) is now, because i dont mind not smoking at a show or more like, not going to a show i cant smoke at, but i DO mind people losing that right, or more like, business owners losing the right to allow smoking.

so these places cannot even have a smoking section or a smoking room in their bar/club/venue. its just a rip=off, i am highly against it, and its just NOT because i happen to smoke.

but then again, i live in baltimore where you HAVE to smoke! :) so all this is really not affecting me :)

Since when have you ever been on here other than during the smoking debate championing the business owners, you fucking commie Canadian?

Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Since when have you ever been on here other than during the smoking debate championing the business owners, you fucking commie Canadian?

SOCIALIST. thankyou.

(do you really think i have 6800 some posts just on smoking debates?)

All the sarcastic comparisons here make no sense. Let's ban bad food or cell phones or alcohol or tall people. You fail miserably in trying to make a point when you say that things that "annoy" you at a concert are in any way close to things that are bad for your health. By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke. Oh and the argument that if you don't like it then don't attend shows is just plain ignorant. That being said, I am not in favor of the ban, but that is for purely selfish reasons.

Originally posted by Shadrach:
All the sarcastic comparisons here make no sense. Let's ban bad food or cell phones or alcohol or tall people. You fail miserably in trying to make a point when you say that things that "annoy" you at a concert are in any way close to things that are bad for your health. By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke. Oh and the argument that if you don't like it then don't attend shows is just plain ignorant. That being said, I am not in favor of the ban, but that for purely selfish reasons. [/QB]

Well, if we're talking about our health, then surely the volume levels coming out of those mammoth speakers are not good for our ears, therefore causing hearing loss. Or maybe causing headaches which would unable us to get up out of bed the next morning or any morning. Maybe we should just get rid of the speakers and microphones all together.

And lets halt alcohol sales because lord forbid we get liver diseases due to alcohol consumption at the bar. Even if you don't drink, the drunk person beside you might accidently trip and lose control of his/her beer, have it fly through the air and drops of alcohol fall into your mouth as the bottle falls to the ground.

Ok….That was fun.

Originally posted by Shadrach:
By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke.

you'd have to go to a LOT of concerts and stand by a LOT of people who smoked a LOT before second hand smoke really fucked your health up.

and ggw can pull whatever shit off of the internet he wants. but i doubt any of you non smokers are going to be huffing and puffing up the stairs anytime soon because i had a stogie near you one night at the black cat

k?

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:

Originally posted by Shadrach:
All the sarcastic comparisons here make no sense. Let's ban bad food or cell phones or alcohol or tall people. You fail miserably in trying to make a point when you say that things that "annoy" you at a concert are in any way close to things that are bad for your health. By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke. Oh and the argument that if you don't like it then don't attend shows is just plain ignorant. That being said, I am not in favor of the ban, but that for purely selfish reasons.

Well, if we're talking about our health, then surely the volume levels coming out of those mammoth speakers are not good for our ears, therefore causing hearing loss. Or maybe causing headaches which would unable us to get up out of bed the next morning or any morning. Maybe we should just get rid of the speakers and microphones all together.

And lets halt alcohol sales because lord forbid we get liver diseases due to alcohol consumption at the bar. Even if you don't drink, the drunk person beside you might accidently trip and lose control of his/her beer, have it fly through the air and drops of alcohol fall into your mouth as the bottle falls to the ground.

Ok….That was fun. [/QB]

You just proved my point perfectly.

Ear plugs are available so you can choose between protecting your ears or possibly doing damage. And alcohol intake from other people does not directly have any effect on those that choose not to partake.

All sarcasm aside smoking is the last socially acceptable behavior that does harm to those around you. Smoking bans have already taken places in NY, Los Angeles and other major cities. It was only a matter of time before one passed here.

What was your PHD or MD specialization?

Originally posted by the sonick:

Originally posted by Shadrach:
By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke.

you'd have to go to a LOT of concerts and stand by a LOT of people who smoked a LOT before second hand smoke really fucked your health up.

and ggw can pull whatever shit off of the internet he wants. but i doubt any of you non smokers are going to be huffing and puffing up the stairs anytime soon because i had a stogie near you one night at the black cat

k?

Originally posted by Shadrach:
Ear plugs are available so you can choose between protecting your ears or possibly doing damage. [/QB]

My ears are still ringing from last week's Ministry/RevCo concert.

Don't overlook the fact that heavy bass can cause a spontaneous pneumothorax.

http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,64829,00.html

Originally posted by Shadrach:
Smoking bans have already taken places in NY, Los Angeles and other major cities.

Just for the sake of clarification, smoking was banned in enclosed public places in the ENTIRE state of California over 8 years ago, not just LA and San Francisco. You're all welcome…

And it's not even an issue any longer. I haven't heard an argument in opposition of the smoking ban since about March of 1998 out here.

Smokers get over it. You are welcome in any bar or club, but your cigarette is not. The people have spoken. This is a democracy and this is the result. If you don't like it, move to a military junta and smoke all you want.

Ah, the price of freedom.

California, Ã?ber Alles!!!!

Originally posted by vansmack:
Just for the sake of clarification, smoking was banned in enclosed public places in the ENTIRE state of California over 8 years ago, not just LA and San Francisco. You're all welcome…

And it's not even an issue any longer. I haven't heard an argument in opposition of the smoking ban since about March of 1998 out here.

Smokers get over it. You are welcome in any bar or club, but your cigarette is not. The people have spoken. This is a democracy and this is the result. If you don't like it, move to a military junta and smoke all you want.

Ah, the price of freedom.

Originally posted by vansmack:
If you don't like it, move to a military junta and smoke all you want.

or baltimore.

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I think we should consider a ban on all Smoking Ban threads.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
California, Ã?ber Alles!!!!

We were forced to take that off the flag as a sign of unity when we entered the Union. Nice of the DK's to not forget.

Apparenly smoking causes double chins on young guys?

Originally posted by the sonick:

Originally posted by vansmack:
If you don't like it, move to a military junta and smoke all you want.

or baltimore.

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How about next time I drink a beer I piss all over the smoker standing next to me? I am drinking a beer for pleasure, and pissing out what my body doesn't need their enjoyment. Then they too can smell like crap and maybe can finally appreciate why so many of us music lovers appreciate a smoke free environment. Smokers crack me up. Why should I respect anyone stupid enough to fill their lungs with toxic piss? Slaves. Nothing but weak slaves.