In honor of Dino Jr.'s return to the club,

Wait.  Rhett's gone?  Again?  I didn't even notice….

But I sure noticed when Celeste was gone….

everyone knows you can't make michael jackson rape jokes . . .its 'alleged' rape

but in any case, that's far less offensive than saying you don't care for you're living all over me

That would've been bad enough but to go further and say Hand it Over is better is criminal.

I love me some Dino Jr. I have every album, every J album, every Fog album. It's one of my 3 favorite bands. I've seen J. easily 20 times — and for someone to defend Hand It Over on its own is dangerously asinine. To say it's better then YLAOM?? Certifiably crazy material.

delusions of grandeur, guys….delusions…or at least that's how this comes off

thatguy wrote:

kosmo wrote:
Thatguy backed me up, it wasn't the first time he was on thin ice

the last drop of water is not what broke the dam. 

not open for debate.  discuss all you want, but the decision stands.

lesson to be learned from this:  if a moderator gives you a chance and warns you about something, take the hint.  over the years, the ice has been thin under several regular posters.  i usually put up a sign of some sort before it breaks.

Julian, wrote:

sweetcell wrote:
if this is a serious offer, why not contact them via PM?

Both of them are clearly reading this thread, they can PM me if they want it.

Very kind offer, but neither Kosmette or I are big single malt drinkers.  Feel free to increase a charitable donation instead.

If you'd like to list a charity, I'll throw $100 its way. If not, my default is always National Hopeline Network.

The whole 90's Seattle grunge thing may not have happened were it not for those first three albums…and Sonic Youth.

azaghal1981 wrote:
The whole 90's Seattle grunge thing may not have happened were it not for those first three albums…and Sonic Youth.

yet another reason to burn the first two albums.

azaghal1981 wrote:
The whole 90's Seattle grunge thing may not have happened were it not for those first three albums.

As someone who has always hated Grunge, you have only managed to add fuel to my contempt!

Agree with Jaguar.. a world without grunge would have been a better world.

a cat in flannel would be classic  ;D

haha thats great  ;D

hutch wrote:
Agree with Jaguar.. a world without grunge would have been a better world.

i disagree… Grunge sidelined lots of hair metal bands in it's rise

The worst excesses of the grunge movement were far better than the worst excesses of the hair metal that proceeded it and the nu-metal/rap-rock of the early 2000's. There were also a lot of really great grunge records.

Julian, wrote:
If you'd like to list a charity, I'll throw $100 its way. If not, my default is always National Hopeline Network.

Works for me….

Well of course its misleading to refer to what came before grunge as "hair metal"! Come on!

Thats not serious!

There was plenty of music before Nirvana broke that was not "hair metal" and unfortunately a lot of this music was thrown out with the Slaughters of the world….

Also if we call what came before "hair metal" why not call grunge "flannel heroin sludge": they are equally accurate in describing the MUSIC… actually "hair metal" is far less accurate..

There are some great grunge records for sure but overall its so boring and more importantly NOT FUN!

I think modern music is still paying for this "grunge revolution"…

The end of the guitar solo, the end of showmanship, the end of fun in rock and roll.. the end of lyrics about sex drugs and rock and roll basically is what grunge almost accomplished..I say almost because its all going to come back.. Look at the Creed show at Nissan. .They can't give the tickets away!

When you look back at what rock and roll is all about- Chuck Berry and his heirs (Stones, Flamin Groovies, ACDC)- and you compare it to grunge and nu-metal (puke) its hard not to develop an intense dislike for these..

Of course all the above probably should be tempered a few notches… There were good grunge bands. .there were grunge bands that did incorporate solos and even the ocassional smile.. but as a music movement I think grunge left us with awfully little….Not to mention that, yes, maybe MTV's decision to play "Smells Like Teen Spirit" 24-7 and never again play any videos by the very same bands they had played in the previous 5 years ad infinitum did kill "hair metal" but so what? To assume it would not or could not have been killed off by something more fun anyways seems silly to me. Lets remember that Nirvana was one of many indie bands being signed to the majors…There was plenty of great music being recorded in 89-91 that I think could have made things far more interesting than Nirvana and grunge…I think if Kurt was around today he would have been the first to admit it… heck he probably would have admitted it even before he took his life.

I mean lets call it what it is: the death of "hair metal" was a business and marketing decision… the same kids who were told that Motley Crue/Poison were cool were now told "hey kids, they're no longer cool go buy these other bands".. thats all it was!

Anyways its just an opinion… if other people like grunge then good for them…Personally I like having a good time and enjoying my life.. I think of rock and roll as a party…a celebration.. and grunge has nothing to do with that.. Do I like "unskinny bop"? Of course not…that song is garbage but you can't pick the worst stuff and say that everything that came before grunge was "unskinny bop"!

Julian, wrote:
The worst excesses of the grunge movement were far better than the worst excesses of the hair metal that proceeded it and the nu-metal/rap-rock of the early 2000's. There were also a lot of really great grunge records.

This.

wow some people really need to lighten up….