Top 100 Singles of 2003

sonickteam2

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 04:54 PM UTC #

ggw, i would love to further this conversation, but i am leaving on a long weekend to Toronto, so i must bid you farewell.

the point is. if you dont want to download music, then dont. I dont really do it anymore either, to be honest, (not P2P anyway). Its not going to kill music, music will just adapt and you can keep buying your used CDs and supporting the scene the way you feel comfortable and so will everyone else. :)

- have a good weekend, cause where i am going it's going to be 10 degrees and snowing!!!!

ggw

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 04:54 PM UTC #

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
do you buy used CDs? i know a lot of people on here do. The same ones that bitch about downloading. All i am saying is that YOU are doing the exact same thing when you buy used CDs. so unless you dont eve buy used CDs and you buy all of your music at full price, then you are stealing music too. you are just spending money to steal and i am not. haha.

Not the same thing at all. A used CD was new at some point. When it was initially sold, the copyright owner was paid.

I guess buying a used car is the equivalent of stealing a car?

sonickteam2

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 04:57 PM UTC #

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

I guess buying a used car is the equivalent of stealing a car?
Cars only last a certain number of years. CDs last forever. If you buy a car that has 100,000 miles on it, then you arent getting anywhere NEAR the same car as you would buying it new.

c'mon GGW you KNOW thats a stupid comparison!

bags

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 04:57 PM UTC #

Sonick, excellent point that I hadn't thought of. Why is selling used CDs legal? Are there any kind of aggregate payments made? Hmmmm…..that's a head scratcher. How is it different for me to burn a copy of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs for a friend, then for that friend to buy it at CD Exchange?

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
So, you're saying two wrongs make a right?

do you buy used CDs? i know a lot of people on here do. The same ones that bitch about downloading. All i am saying is that YOU are doing the exact same thing when you buy used CDs. so unless you dont eve buy used CDs and you buy all of your music at full price, then you are stealing music too. you are just spending money to steal and i am not. haha.

and i will extend that logic to everything. I rent DVDs and copy them too. and i stole 5 cars when i was in Canada, too. it pays good money you know.

sonickteam2

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 04:59 PM UTC #

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Not the same thing at all. A used CD was new at some point. When it was initially sold, the copyright owner was paid.

well then, if someone buys an album, and then uploads it onto thier computer and then shares it, its ok for me to download? cause as long as someone bought it, the copyright was paid for.

i am making a valid point here.

ggw

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 04:59 PM UTC #

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
ggw, i would love to further this conversation, but i am leaving on a long weekend to Toronto, so i must bid you farewell.

Try not to steal any Molson, hoser.

skeeter

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 05:00 PM UTC #

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
do you buy used CDs? i know a lot of people on here do. The same ones that bitch about downloading. All i am saying is that YOU are doing the exact same thing when you buy used CDs. so unless you dont eve buy used CDs and you buy all of your music at full price, then you are stealing music too. you are just spending money to steal and i am not. haha.

Buying used CDs is certainly not stealing. Assuming the CD was originally paid for by someone, the label, artist, etc. have all been fully paid for the sale of that CD. Just because it changes hands later doesn't entitle anyone to get paid again for it. That's like saying everytime someone sells a used car they're stealing from the car manufacturer.

sonickteam2

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 05:01 PM UTC #

Originally posted by Bagster:
Sonick, excellent point that I hadn't thought of. Why is selling used CDs legal? Are there any kind of aggregate payments made?

no maam, i work at one of these stores, and we dont even inventory used CDs. so we have no idea which ones we are selling.

the only way i can think of it being legal or "ok" is that the stores selling these used CDs are also selling new merchandise from these labels. so while we are profiting from sales of Used Cds, we are bringing in customers to perhaps buy a new disc if we dont have a used copy.

other than that, we're just selling stuff we didnt pay for the rights to sell.

ggw

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 05:02 PM UTC #

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Not the same thing at all. A used CD was new at some point. When it was initially sold, the copyright owner was paid.

well then, if someone buys an album, and then uploads it onto thier computer and then shares it, its ok for me to download? cause as long as someone bought it, the copyright was paid for.

i am making a valid point here.
You are just deluding yourself that your point is valid.

If I buy an album and upload it to my computer, I am reproducing and distributing the copyrighted work of others. If I sell a used CD to a store, I am not reproducing anything.

sonickteam2

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 05:02 PM UTC #

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Try not to steal any Molson, hoser.

take off! ;)

sonickteam2

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 05:04 PM UTC #

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I am not reproducing anything.

but you are distributing and not only that you are selling the work of others. which is worse, cause at least downloading is not done for money.

bags

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 05:14 PM UTC #

Yes, but I originally bought the CD I burned for a friend, so the copyright was paid for. I didn't sell it to anyone or make mass quantities.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
do you buy used CDs? i know a lot of people on here do. The same ones that bitch about downloading. All i am saying is that YOU are doing the exact same thing when you buy used CDs. so unless you dont eve buy used CDs and you buy all of your music at full price, then you are stealing music too. you are just spending money to steal and i am not. haha.

Not the same thing at all. A used CD was new at some point. When it was initially sold, the copyright owner was paid.

I guess buying a used car is the equivalent of stealing a car?

skeeter

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 05:24 PM UTC #

Originally posted by Bagster:
Sonick, excellent point that I hadn't thought of. Why is selling used CDs legal? Are there any kind of aggregate payments made? Hmmmm…..that's a head scratcher. How is it different for me to burn a copy of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs for a friend, then for that friend to buy it at CD Exchange?

Because I assume someone originally paid for the copy that ended up at CD Exchange. The Yeah Yeah Yeah's have already been paid for the sale of that disc. When you burn a copy for your friend nobody gets paid. Two people now have a copy of the disc, even though only one copy was paid for.

ggw

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 05:27 PM UTC #

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I am not reproducing anything.
but you are distributing and not only that you are selling the work of others. which is worse, cause at least downloading is not done for money.

But you are distributing a single, original item. One for which compensation was paid. If you are distributing on a p2p, you are creating multiple items, none of which were compensated.

Just because technology makes it possible to do this free and easy doesn't change the underlying notions. Imagine you could reproduce your car as many times as you wanted at virtually no cost. Would distributing all these cars be the same as selling the one original?

ggw

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 05:29 PM UTC #

Originally posted by Bagster:
Yes, but I originally bought the CD I burned for a friend, so the copyright was paid for. I didn't sell it to anyone or make mass quantities.

I'm not sure if burning and giving it to a friend is technically legal or not. But I don't think anyone cares because it's not like a p2p, where there are several million people making copies at any given point in time. So it's a matter of scale.

bags

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 05:43 PM UTC #

But that's exactly the same if I buy the YYYs, sell it to Game Exchange, and same said friend buys the used copy. The artists et al. get paid once, regardless of how many times the cd sells at used places.

-Edit- sorry, I wrote this before but posted after your last post.

Originally posted by Skeeter:

Originally posted by Bagster:
Sonick, excellent point that I hadn't thought of. Why is selling used CDs legal? Are there any kind of aggregate payments made? Hmmmm…..that's a head scratcher. How is it different for me to burn a copy of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs for a friend, then for that friend to buy it at CD Exchange?

Because I assume someone originally paid for the copy that ended up at CD Exchange. The Yeah Yeah Yeah's have already been paid for the sale of that disc. When you burn a copy for your friend nobody gets paid. Two people now have a copy of the disc, even though only one copy was paid for.

jakez468

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 06:31 PM UTC #

most of those songs were either never released as a single, and/or never recieved radio airplay…the list seems to be more of yer alls favorite songs of the last year. is that what it is?

sonickteam2

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 07:10 PM UTC #

Originally posted by jakez468:
most of those songs were either never released as a single, and/or never recieved radio airplay…the list seems to be more of yer alls favorite songs of the last year. is that what it is?

What do you mean never released as a single? They most certainly got radio airplay on the radio. Not necessarily around here, but all of those songs (well, 95%) were on the radio in other locations besides Baltimore/DC. I for one, listen to WOXY sometimes, and have heard most of the songs on there, as well as other stations.

go to www.fmqb.com and also check out some other radio stations websites, and you will find that there are TONS of songs played on other stations, not played on HFS or DC101.

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 07:38 PM UTC #

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

i am making a valid point here.

thanks for pointing that out…ha ha

re-selling a used CD is selling an OBJECT the other scenarios you're talking about are dealing with the CONTENT…

I copy CDs sometimes…but I won't pretend it's not shady…

muke

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Re: Top 100 Singles of 2003 January 08, 2004 at 08:28 PM UTC #

read the liner notes in the latest BRMC album. they have updated their copyright notice for the modern age. not sure if other bands are following suit. or if it is a band or management decision.