Edward Snowden Playlist

hutch wrote:
China is having a good laugh as is much of the world  about America's hypocrisy.. and the US has the nerve to tell China to hand him over…. they're still fucking laughing over there and in Russia….

if someone told us China was secretly recording everything and listening to everyone we'd be like "OH well they don't have freedom there.. what do you fucking expect?" but when it happens over here…

not to mention this came out during xi jingping's first visit to US to meet with Barry

I'll admit, I didn't put much thought into posting my wife's off the cuff response to the title of this thread. i'll also admit, I didn't sit around and think deeply about what song titles I should pick to post in this thread, to make sure they agree with Ahmad's opinions and focus on the aspects that Hutch deems appropriate.

I would think that our freedom of speech (and lack of mention in the forum rules) would allow us to post an off the cuff comment like that without having to fear the retribution of namecalling and condescending lecturing. But I guess I thought wrong.

While I agree with you name calling is rampant on this forum, all of us need to look in the mirror on the issue.  Of course hm just hope you recognize the reflection as you never know with the NSA these days.

beatles- back in the USSR

The Sweet Vandals - Our Leaders Are Liars

Paul McCartney - Spies Like Us

Eddie Money- Two Tickets to Paradise

James wrote:
I would think that our freedom of speech (and lack of mention in the forum rules) would allow us to post an off the cuff comment like that without having to fear the retribution of namecalling and condescending lecturing. But I guess I thought wrong.

uh, freedom of speech has nothing to do with freedom from name-calling.  in fact, it's freedom of speech that ensures the right to name-call ;D

Journey-Escape
Journey-Separate Ways
Journey- Open Arms

James wrote:
Journey-Escape
Journey-Separate Ways
Journey- Open Arms

oh jeebus for a second there i thought this was the just announced thread.

He broke the law so he deserves to go to jail.  I think 3 or 4 years would be appropiate punishment.  Whether he agreed with a government policy is irrelevant as he agreed to keep the details secret when he got his clearance.  Everyone should know that the government is recording calls after 9/11.

I don't know why people are defending the guy.  Like I said this is why you don't hire guys who didn't graduate high school. 

I don't think anyone disagrees that he broke the law. It is called civil disobedience. But charging him with espionage is absurd and was done specifically to send a message to any possible future whistleblowers. Same with Manning.

atomicfront wrote:

He broke the law so he deserves to go to jail.

So you would have thrown Rosa Parks in jail? Even high school dropouts know that's wrong.

If I was black, I'd punch you in the face for that comment.

beetsnotbeats wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

He broke the law so he deserves to go to jail.

So you would have thrown Rosa Parks in jail? Even high school dropouts know that's wrong.

beetsnotbeats wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

He broke the law so he deserves to go to jail.

So you would have thrown Rosa Parks in jail? Even high school dropouts know that's wrong.

So you believe laws protecting national security are wrong and are comparable to racism in the US South in the 1960's? 

atomicfront wrote:

beetsnotbeats wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

He broke the law so he deserves to go to jail.

So you would have thrown Rosa Parks in jail? Even high school dropouts know that's wrong.

So you believe laws protecting national security are wrong and are comparable to racism in the US South in the 1960's? 

My question wasn't about national security. It was about whether or not all law breaking should be punished. Rosa Parks broke the law. Should she have been punished?

I think there is a good chance he is a sociopath.  why grant all those interviews?  very strange for a whistleblower.  Claims he did it so the NSA wouldn't off him….not so sure that is the real reason.

I'm conflicted…on one hand we need to know about stuff like this…but on the other hand….could have been handled better.   

I also think its very strange that he talks about freedom, yet goes to 2 of the most restrictive countries ever when it comes to free speech.

I will say that it appears he did a much better job than Manning…who probably deserves everything he has coming to him.

it makes good television

end of story

His choice was to either go to a country that restricts free speech/would not extradite him or go to a freer country that would. I would go with the former in his position, too.

And what law that protects national security did he violate again? Any idiot could realize that the espionage charges are bullshit.

And creates a distration for the real issue at hand and gives blowhards like Graham a soapbox to stand on.  There is a reason we have pesky things called courts…