Donald Trump is a fascist

hutch wrote:
First of all a Gore administration would have taken the threat seriously and 9-11 might never have happened

Apparently you started your Thanksgiving heavy drinking and drug use a couple of days early.

ggw wrote:

hutch wrote:
First of all a Gore administration would have taken the threat seriously and 9-11 might never have happened

Apparently you started your Thanksgiving heavy drinking and drug use a couple of days early.

you can't prove it would have happened  but I can say it might not have happened.

why are you so sure??

personally I don't think it would have happened… I think a Gore administration would have taken the threat seriously..something that we know the Bush administration did not do.

Always amusing what a pass Bush gets on that… Trump has it 100% right.. He did not keep us safe.. 9-11 happened on his watch.

That shits crazier than anything Jaguar ever posted.  Are you seriously saying that if Al Gore was elected that 9-11 would not have happened?

You're making some powerful arguments here ggw

Why am I so sure? Because both Jamie Rubin and Ken Bacon told me so. 

ggw wrote:
That shits crazier than anything Jaguar ever posted.  Are you seriously saying that if Al Gore was elected that 9-11 would not have happened?

Lets try a third time: I'm saying it MIGHT not have happened… which is a fact.. it MIGHT not have happened..

As far as if you want to know my personal opinion- unfounded.. more gut instinct etc..- yes I think 9-11 would not have happened under an Al Gore presidency.. for starters the national security briefing provided during the transition would have bee taken seriously and not dismissed by the Bush folk….Moreover, the insane overreaction by Bush and his administration- hijacked by neocons- would not have happened either..no pointless war in Iraq.. no ISIS.. I could go on but I'm sure you have enough…

The public's failure to take into account that Bush failed us on 9-11 (and the days after where he disappeared, you know after the goat story and deer in headlights look.. you may not remember - perhaps you are too young- but Giuliani was virtual President for those critical days after 9-11 where everyone was freaking out.. the celebrated Bush bullhorn "moment" happened a few days after 9-11) AND to consider that the Iraq war is the direct cause of Daesh strains credulity but then again the American people have never been known for their brilliance and the number of wars they've been led into under false pretenses is astonishing (Vietnam, WWII, Spanish American War, etc etc.).. 

Rhett James Charlie Ford Freely is a racist who mocks the disabled and…wait for it… so is trump.

Here's someone who can see making the (very valid) Harris/Trump comparison: http://youtu.be/IPMSwKbY5ms
And here's Noam Chomsky dismissing Sam Harris the way racists like him deserve to be dismissed.
OK I'm done derailing this thread.

Space wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
I won't.
They are.
Remember that one time he posted here that Sam Harris would make for a good president?
Here's this.

The "New Atheists" have been preaching the rhetoric you've been hearing from Trump for the last couple weeks since the Iraq war if not longer.

hutch wrote:
I will resist urge to point out that James Ford and Donald Trump seem like two peas in a pod…

I'm sorry if you're too blind to see the difference between Sam Harris and Donald Trump.

That's kind of like saying Glen Greenwald is part of ISIS just because he's an Islamic apologist.

There's plenty of space in between a nutjob like Donald Trump and a nutjob like Glen Greenwald, and I think Sam Harris (and I) inhabit that space.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/12/05/vicious-and-misleading-atheist-bashing/

http://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/02/luke-savage-doubles-down-on-dishonest-hackery-lukewsavage/

im not going to lie . . . I thought sam harris was one of those god awful crooners, like sam smith or ed sheeran.  so I looked him up, an lookie there, hes . . . aw, who cares who he is.

azaghal1981 wrote:
OK I'm done derailing this thread.

not even close,
[move]the thread was looking for derailment [/move]
I think it's important to get ALL the opinions out there, like em or not
I'm not defending Spaett Ford-frelly, but don't recall disabled being on his shit-list

azaghal1981 wrote:
And here's Noam Chomsky dismissing Sam Harris the way racists like him deserve to be dismissed.

btw that's f'n long and not sure it's as damning to SH considering he posted it on his site
It is actually a very interesting exchange

azaghal1981 wrote:
Rhett James Charlie Ford Freely is a racist who mocks the disabled and…wait for it… so is trump.

Here's someone who can see making the (very valid) Harris/Trump comparison: http://youtu.be/IPMSwKbY5ms
And here's Noam Chomsky dismissing Sam Harris the way racists like him deserve to be dismissed.
OK I'm done derailing this thread.

Space wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
I won't.
They are.
Remember that one time he posted here that Sam Harris would make for a good president?
Here's this.

The "New Atheists" have been preaching the rhetoric you've been hearing from Trump for the last couple weeks since the Iraq war if not longer.

hutch wrote:
I will resist urge to point out that James Ford and Donald Trump seem like two peas in a pod…

I'm sorry if you're too blind to see the difference between Sam Harris and Donald Trump.

That's kind of like saying Glen Greenwald is part of ISIS just because he's an Islamic apologist.

There's plenty of space in between a nutjob like Donald Trump and a nutjob like Glen Greenwald, and I think Sam Harris (and I) inhabit that space.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/12/05/vicious-and-misleading-atheist-bashing/

http://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/02/luke-savage-doubles-down-on-dishonest-hackery-lukewsavage/

And you're a bigot for lumping everyone together as a "racist" who doesn't fit your narrow vision of the world. See Sidehatch's spirited rant above, which very well synthesizes and states everything I feel.

Instead of simply shrugging off anyone who doesn't agree with your views as a "racist" why don't you share with us your reaction to Sidehatch's comments??? Do you find the results of the Pew Forum study at all troubling?

🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺 wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
OK I'm done derailing this thread.

not even close,
[move]the thread was looking for derailment [/move]
I think it's important to get ALL the opinions out there, like em or not
I'm not defending Spaett Ford-frelly, but don't recall disabled being on his shit-list

Yeah, not sure where he's coming from with that one. Hard to understand his personal animosity toward me.

i know exactly what azag is referring to and it's unquestionably mocking a very specific disability.

and to top it off, SF is now pretending he has "no idea where he's coming from with that one".

and pointing this out just depresses me.

fart wrote:
i know exactly what azag is referring to and it's unquestionably mocking a very specific disability.

and to top it off, SF is now pretending he has "no idea where he's coming from with that one".

and pointing this out just depresses me.

Wow, talking about attempting to derail a thread.

I meant exactly what I said. Anybody who had read anything by Sam Harris (and I mean actually read what SAm Harris wrote, not just read what REza or Greenwald or Chomsky or some young politically correct idiot in Salon or whatever wrote), and would conflate what SAm says with what the Trump says, must be pretty blind in their narrow vision of how they see the world.

I haven't listened to Sam's thoughts yet on Trump, but read an interview where he refers to Carson as a "moron". Given that Trump spouts much of the same nonsense as Carson, I can't imagine Harris has a high view of Trump. So again, I think this is a case of azag blindly sweeping anybody he doesn't agree with into his little "racist" dustpan.

I'm on my phone, or I would post a drag queen gif, going, "gurrl."

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