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Got wrote:
I don't get the radical islam comment. As in, I don't understand why people
Want other people to say it AND I don't understand people that refuse to say it.

Although in his case, it's starting to sound like he was a gay dude that got rejected and went insane

I want people to say "radical Islam" because it acknowledges, at least in part, that the religion of Islam, it's ideas and it's doctrines is at least in part the root of the problems (terrorism, homophobia, etc). (And that's not to discount that guns are also a part of the problem….I'm in favor of gun control to an extent, but I think 9/11 and the Paris attacks proved terrorists can get their hands on "weapons" regardless of gun control…I digress.

I can't speak for others, but I think some people refuse to say it because either:

a) they don't believe that the religious doctrines are what causes people to throw homosexuals off buildings, torture non-believers like Raif Badawi, etc. It's Western imperialism. It's mental illness. It's crazy power hungry people. ISIS aren't "true followers of Islam" (their words, not mine).

b) they believe Islam is the reason for the bad shit in (a), but they don't want to say it because they're afraid to piss off a whole lot of moderate Muslims and a few regressive leftists around the world. They apparently don't think that moderate Muslims are smart enough to realize that "radical islam" doesn't necessarily refer to them. (Though if they believe in Sharia, killing gays, etc it most certainly does).

Space wrote:
They apparently don't think that moderate Muslims are smart enough to realize that "radical islam" doesn't necessarily refer to them.

no, the problem is the large portion of the american public that thinks "radical islam = all islam", ergo "all islam = radical islam."

i have no problem saying that islam is in need of reformation, needs to change how women are treated, etc.  as a religion, it sucks more than the others (who suck a lot).  but i'm not willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

sweetcell wrote:

Space wrote:
They apparently don't think that moderate Muslims are smart enough to realize that "radical islam" doesn't necessarily refer to them.

no, the problem is the large portion of the american public that thinks "radical islam = all islam", ergo "all islam = radical islam."

i have no problem saying that islam is in need of reformation, needs to change how women are treated, etc.  as a religion, it sucks more than the others (who suck a lot).  but i'm not willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

"Throwing out the baby with the bathwater" (i.e. rejecting Islam) will get you killed in many non-secular Muslim countries.

Some of you need to get off the internet and go live life.

killsaly wrote:
Some of you need to get off the internet and go live life.

Some of us are on the internet to get informed about current events and discuss them. Others are on the internet to steal music and watch wrestling videos. It's all good.

This website is specifically for the 930 club.

I have no interest in discussing politics with you yahoos; that doesn't mean I'm only interested in music and wrestling. I don't talk about most things that I'm interested on here because it's a fucking music forum.

By the way, nothing you post about shit like terrorism makes you seem any smarter, and it doesn't do anything to contribute to any kind of meaningful discussion, so it's as much of a waste of time as any fucking music post I make. I keep my political talk to in person.

killsaly wrote:
I have no interest in discussing politics with you yahoos

fair enough.  i would suggest that you just ignore this thread.

I usually do.  But that does not mean that I do not have an opinion on current events. 

You mentioned you're on Facebook. I suggest you befriend Ali Rizvi.


https://www.facebook.com/ali.a.rizvi/posts/10103047823274678


Ali A. Rizvi

May 6 · Toronto, ON, Canada ·

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Islam needs to undergo a reformation, says President Obama.

In an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg, he said:

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"Let?s all stop pretending that the cause of the Middle East?s problems is Israel. We want to work to help achieve statehood and dignity for the Palestinians, but I was hoping that my speech could…create space for Muslims to address the real problems they are confronting?problems of governance, and the fact that some currents of Islam have not gone through a reformation that would help people adapt their religious doctrines to modernity."
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Jeffrey Goldberg writes: "In private encounters with other world leaders, Obama has argued that there will be no comprehensive solution to Islamist terrorism until Islam reconciles itself to modernity and undergoes some of the reforms that have changed Christianity."

Obama also laments the increasing adoption of hijab as part of a "fundamentalist, unforgiving" interpretation of Islam:

"Obama described how he has watched Indonesia gradually move from a relaxed, syncretistic Islam to a more fundamentalist, unforgiving interpretation; large numbers of Indonesian women, he observed, have now adopted the hijab, the Muslim head covering."

Obama says Muslims ("Islam as a whole…") need to "…undergo a vigorous discussion within their community about how Islam works as part of a peaceful, modern society," "challenge that version of Islam," and "isolate it."

So why not come out and publicly say the words "Islamic terrorism" as he knows and believes it to be?

"I do not persuade peaceful, tolerant Muslims to engage in that debate if I?m not sensitive to their concern that they are being tagged with a broad brush," he says. Goldberg writes: "He believes that a misplaced word, or a frightened look, or an ill-considered hyperbolic claim, could tip the country into panic. The sort of panic he worries about most is the type that would manifest itself in anti-Muslim xenophobia or in a challenge to American openness and to the constitutional order."

Obama, who once angered U.S. Muslims by correctly saying that the conflict in the Middle East "dates back millennia," is also right about everything he has said here, and it's refreshing to hear a liberal world leader acknowledge reality. But the panic he's worried about is already happening, and it's because he's *not* naming the problem.

Calling it what it is would go a long way to differentiate violent Islamists from the largely pro-secular, moderate and liberal Muslims in the United States.
Read the full interview here: http://www.theatlantic.com/?/?/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/

Space Freely, you've mentioned you're on Facebook. I suggest you befriend Barack Obama.

There's no magic to the phrase 'radical Islam.' It?s a political talking point. It?s not a strategy.

whoismyvoice.com/

It's a filibuster

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-launch-filibuster-on-guns_us_57617afae4b0df4d586ec7b5

Senator Stackhouse would be proud.

^ f'allah'bulous!

source: Anonymous hacks ISIS? Twitter, makes it as fabulously gay as humanly possible
http://www.techly.com.au/2016/06/16/anonymous-hacks-isis-twitter-makes-it-as-fabulously-gay-as-humanly-possible/

When a Phrase Takes On New Meaning: ?Radical Islam,? Explained

And while you're at it:

How others do it - Radicalisation is a problem far too complex for simplistic Trumpian solutions

Space wrote:
When is Obama going to learn how to pronounce the words "radical Islam"?

some food for thought:

When a Phrase Takes On New Meaning: ?Radical Islam,? Explained
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/world/when-a-phrase-takes-on-new-meaning-radical-islam-explained.html

sweetcell wrote:
some food for thought:

When a Phrase Takes On New Meaning: ?Radical Islam,? Explained
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/world/when-a-phrase-takes-on-new-meaning-radical-islam-explained.html

Are you intentionally ignoring my posts?