Orlando

Why?

*patiently awaits walky and James ford's posts*

so sad…sigh…

just horrible news….waking up to it was like getting punched in the gut…

i really can't and don't want to process it yet…

It will be fun to see how the regressive left spins this one.


"If religions don't modernize to accept LGBT & women's rights, then religions need to die, not people."

-Ali Rizvi

Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!

commenting on this, only takes away from the tragedy, of it.  

When is Obama going to learn how to pronounce the words "radical Islam"? It's really not that hard.

Space wrote:
When is Obama going to learn how to pronounce the words "radical Islam"? It's really not that hard.

said Trump

Nuke wrote:

Space wrote:
When is Obama going to learn how to pronounce the words "radical Islam"? It's really not that hard.

said Trump

I didn't say that, Space did…

Donald wrote:

Nuke wrote:

Space wrote:
When is Obama going to learn how to pronounce the words "radical Islam"? It's really not that hard.

said Trump

I didn't say that, Space did…

So did Hillary. Bravo!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-orlando-attacks-reaction/

Space wrote:

Donald wrote:

Nuke wrote:

Space wrote:
When is Obama going to learn how to pronounce the words "radical Islam"? It's really not that hard.

said Trump

I didn't say that, Space did…

So did Hillary. Bravo!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-orlando-attacks-reaction/

This is not Donald Trump speaking but Hutch who has taken over his 930 account: Hillary said she doesn't care what you call it.. it makes no difference and is unimportant…

which is of course exactly right… its unbelievable that people like you seem to think its so important

I'm just sick of discussing this though so I'm out.

Donald wrote:

Space wrote:

Donald wrote:

Nuke wrote:

Space wrote:
When is Obama going to learn how to pronounce the words "radical Islam"? It's really not that hard.

said Trump

I didn't say that, Space did…

So did Hillary. Bravo!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-orlando-attacks-reaction/

This is not Donald Trump speaking but Hutch who has taken over his 930 account: Hillary said she doesn't care what you call it.. it makes no difference and is unimportant…

which is of course exactly right… its unbelievable that people like you seem to think its so important

I'm just sick of discussing this though so I'm out.

I don't like Trump and the way he voices his opinions, but I do think President Obama's overly careful wording and concern over every nuance related to ISIS and militants are making Trump's bluntness appealing to many, many voters.

So bravo Hillary.

You remember that atheist who shot up a bunch of people because they didn't agree with his world view?

Yeah, me neither.

ja,ded wrote:
You remember that atheist who shot up a bunch of people because they didn't agree with his world view?

Yeah, me neither.

Joseph Stalin?

ja,ded wrote:
You remember that atheist who shot up a bunch of people because they didn't agree with his world view?

Yeah, me neither.

then you're not paying attention. 

virginia tech shooter hated religion.  i couldn't find any mention of the sandy hook shooter being a religious type, other than one reference to "transferred to a local Catholic school in 7th grade where he reportedly became obsessed with religion" (i.e. was a phase when he was younger).  i did not come across any mention of religion with the shooter of Luby's Cafeteria.  the shooter of the San Ysidro McDonalds was raised religiously, but was resentful that his mother abandoned him to become a missionary so i think we can say he wasn't religious as an adult.  i didn't read anything that said he went to church, was devote, etc.

those are the second through fifth deadliest shootings in US history (orlando is first).  i could continue.

sweetcell wrote:

ja,ded wrote:
You remember that atheist who shot up a bunch of people because they didn't agree with his world view?

Yeah, me neither.

then you're not paying attention. 

virginia tech shooter hated religion.  i couldn't find any mention of the sandy hook shooter being a religious type, other than one reference to "transferred to a local Catholic school in 7th grade where he reportedly became obsessed with religion" (i.e. was a phase when he was younger).  i did not come across any mention of religion with the shooter of Luby's Cafeteria.  the shooter of the San Ysidro McDonalds was raised religiously, but was resentful that his mother abandoned him to become a missionary so i think we can say he wasn't religious as an adult.  i didn't read anything that said he went to church, was devote, etc.

those are the second through fifth deadliest shootings in US history (orlando is first).  i could continue.

I think you're missing the point.

Extreme prejudice remains, both socially and legally, in much of the Islamic world against people who engage in homosexual acts. In Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty.[5][6][7][8][9][10][11] In others, such as Algeria, Maldives, Malaysia, Qatar, Somalia and Syria, it is illegal.[12][13][14][15] Same-sex sexual intercourse is legal in 20 Muslim-majority nations (Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), and most of Indonesia (except in Aceh and South Sumatra provinces, where bylaws against LGBT rights have been passed), as well as Northern Cyprus).[16][17] In Albania, Lebanon, and Turkey, there have been discussions about legalizing same-sex marriage.[18][19] Homosexual relations between females are legal in Kuwait and Uzbekistan, but homosexual acts between males are illegal.[20][21][22][16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam


One could point to text in the Koran and hadiths issued by Mohammad as being the reasons behind the illegality of homosexuality in the non-secular countries above (read the wiki, I'm not going to copy and paste everything.) At any rate, it seems fair to say that homophobia is evident in Islamic doctrine and punishment for it is meted out in many non-secular Islamic countries. Which is not to say that all Muslims are homophobes, most certainly many (especially those living in the West) are not.

One could also point to text in the Old Testament of the Bible as condemning homosexuality, and they would be correct. It's questionable how strongly the New Testament (which most Christians pay more credence to than the Old Testament) condemns homosexuality (one might argue that the New Testament goes lighter on homosexuality than the Koran), but nonetheless it's not a beacon of progressiveness when it comes to homosexuality. One could also say that though Christianity/ the Bible (Old Testament in particular) is filled with homophobia, but at the same time many Christians are not homophobic…

However, one could argue that Muslim and Christian homophobia that does exist is likely directly tied to the ideas/doctrines of the religion, as they pertain to homosexuality. Hence, one could argue that this guy's homophobia was a direct result of his religious views.



Atheism, unlike religion, is not a collection of ideas, but rather the absence of a collection of ideas. I'm not aware of any Atheist Bible or Atheist Koran that sets for a doctrine to be followed by Atheists.

Which is not to say that an Atheist can't be anti-religious and have an anti-religion worldview. But it's not a set of ideas/doctrines that are causing that hatred, it's a reaction to and rejection of a set of ideas/doctrines that may be influencing that particular Atheist's worldview (and then something else on top of that, as reaction/rejection don't necessarily equal hatred).

Can that hatred of religion lead to killing? Of course it can. That turd in Chapel Hill who killed the Muslim couple certainly killed them because of their religion. And he should fry in the electric chair for what he did. Were the killings (Virginia Tech, etc) you refer to a direct result of the killer's atheist beliefs (or more accurately lack of religious beliefs)? I'm not so sure, did those mass murderers specifically say they were motivated to kill due to  their lack of religion and/or hatred of it?

Space wrote:

ja,ded wrote:
You remember that atheist who shot up a bunch of people because they didn't agree with his world view?

Yeah, me neither.

Joseph Stalin?

that was a good one!

I don't get the radical islam comment. As in, I don't understand why people
Want other people to say it AND I don't understand people that refuse to say it.

Although in his case, it's starting to sound like he was a gay dude that got rejected and went insane