The Groper Thread

Julian, wrote:

Space wrote:
He's a douche.

Agreed. The kerfuffle seems to be many people think his behavior rises to the level of rape/sexual assault and others think its just terrible, boorish, douchey (non-criminal) sex.

For such an ugly guy, he sure is a cocky, confident SOB. Not that such boorish behavior is acceptable from handsome dudes either.

Julian, wrote:

Space wrote:
He's a douche.

Agreed. The kerfuffle seems to be many people think his behavior rises to the level of rape/sexual assault and others think its just terrible, boorish, douchey (non-criminal) sex.

based on my understanding of the kerfuffle, you seem to have missed the point. to be fair, the point here is that women and men view things very differently, in large part due to cultural norms and expectations (aka upbringing).  so men saying "i don't get what these women are complaining about" is almost to be expected, since they're men and not women.

the #metoo movement pointed out how women, even powerful hollywood leading women, can be subjected to sexual harassment and assault; and society has covered for these men.

a step below this, but still on the spectrum of inequality of the sexes, is how women are treated in new sexual relationships - again, due to cultural norms and expectations (aka upbringing).  the message in the ansari case isn't that he committed a crime.  he didn't.  the message is that women don't have the same leeway in skipping out of an awkward sexual situation (for men to simple-mindedly say "well why didn't she leave?" is showing your privilege and lack of empathy).  hell, even what constitutes "bad sex" isn't nearly the same for men and women.  here's another good read on the subject.  please read through those two links for a better explanation.

I generally like Andrew Sullivan, but how is he in any position to comment on male/female sexual relations?

sweetcell wrote:
  the message in the ansari case isn't that he committed a crime.  he didn't. 

The message in the initial expose is very much that he committed a crime.

sweetcell wrote:
the message is that women don't have the same leeway in skipping out of an awkward sexual situation (for men to simple-mindedly say "well why didn't she leave?" is showing your privilege and lack of empathy). 

Agreed. But this specific woman in her specific accounting of events had absolute leeway to skip out of this awkward sexual situation. She is not without agency.

ggw wrote:
13-year old girl was, "down with it."

But was she "hip"?

It became apparent a long time ago that Tarantino is an idiot who got lucky….put it this way: he is no woody allen

Mike Isabella

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/celebrity-chef-mike-isabella-is-sued-for-extraordinary-sexual-harassment/2018/03/19/4cc47bf4-27a4-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html

Steven Seagall.

Hey Julian, was he on your list? Seems like he should have been.

Space wrote:
Steven Seagall.

Hey Julian, was he on your list? Seems like he should have been.

No, but I had Steven the Sea Gull the mascot of the local Captain D's knockoff from my hometown when I was a young boy. . .

ggw wrote:
Mike Isabella

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/celebrity-chef-mike-isabella-is-sued-for-extraordinary-sexual-harassment/2018/03/19/4cc47bf4-27a4-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html

Surprise, that guy is a fat f'n tool.

Yada wrote:
Upcoming predictions unless this 15 minutes of news cycle has already moved on from sexual harassment.

Ryan Seacrest
Simon Cowell
Randy Jackson
Jeff Probst

One down.

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/ryan-seacrest-sexual-abuse-allegations-stylist-details-1202710460/

Fred Savage

^ winnie has been holding on to that secret for a long time

Mork from Ork

Read Molly Ringwald's essay about her work with John Hughes. Sharp as a tack.

ggw wrote:
Asia Argento

I wonder if Bourdain would still be alive if he had never met that woman.