The "We Should Have a Midterms 2018 Discussion Thread" Thread

Sidehatch wrote:

fun fact
The first "concession telegram" occurred when William Jennings Bryan sent William McKinley two days after the 1896 US presidential election.

Oooh that IS fun!

SINEMA!

If we're happy about Sinema, should we not also be happy for Manchin ?
He's often portrayed as a stain on the Democratic party, ~ 60% voting in line with Trump platforms, same as Sinema.
Make no mistake, I'm happy he held on and that Sinema pulled off AZ, but one can't be the dawn of a new age while the other is conveyed as a disgrace to his party affiliation.

evilizac wrote:
If we're happy about Sinema, should we not also be happy for Manchin ?
He's often portrayed as a stain on the Democratic party, ~ 60% voting in line with Trump platforms, same as Sinema.
Make no mistake, I'm happy he held on and that Sinema pulled off AZ, but one can't be the dawn of a new age while the other is conveyed as a disgrace to his party affiliation.

For me it depends on what Trump platforms he's aligned with. I doubt I'm 0% aligned with Trump myself, but 60% seems pretty damn high.

evilizac wrote:
If we're happy about Sinema, should we not also be happy for Manchin ?
He's often portrayed as a stain on the Democratic party, ~ 60% voting in line with Trump platforms, same as Sinema.
Make no mistake, I'm happy he held on and that Sinema pulled off AZ, but one can't be the dawn of a new age while the other is conveyed as a disgrace to his party affiliation.

So I don't love Manchin that much, but he's much better than Morrisey (BOTH of them) and so glad Blankenship didn't even get a chance
but its WV…at least he is on the Dems side for Net Neutrality, Sanctions on Russia, the 1 % tax breaks and healthcare

Joe Manchin III and Tim Kaine are from the same party and have agreed on 77 percent of votes in the 115th Congress (2017-18).

Same with Sinema…it's AZ, pretty much always R…so you would think the D has to play to that same audience
but not 100% blue..but seems to mostly be in line with the dems
Kyrsten Sinema and Nancy Pelosi are from the same party and have agreed on 76 percent of votes in the 115th Congress (2017-18).

Why? We thought Manchin would win whereas Sinema was more of a reach


Manchin voted to confirm Kavanaugh..,

Space wrote:

evilizac wrote:
If we're happy about Sinema, should we not also be happy for Manchin ?
He's often portrayed as a stain on the Democratic party, ~ 60% voting in line with Trump platforms, same as Sinema.
Make no mistake, I'm happy he held on and that Sinema pulled off AZ, but one can't be the dawn of a new age while the other is conveyed as a disgrace to his party affiliation.

For me it depends on what Trump platforms he's aligned with. I doubt I'm 0% aligned with Trump myself, but 60% seems pretty damn high.

Yeah…it's hard to use stats sometimes ….as so many votes are useless and sometimes they vote differently since it has no chance of passing

this site is interesting comparisons of votes to policies

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/

Pro publica alows you to compare voting records of two people..to see where they line up
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/M001183-joe-manchin-iii/compare-votes/K000384-tim-kaine/115

hutch wrote:
Manchin voted to confirm Kavanaugh..,

he kinda had to for the WV vote…but not sure he would have done it if it was a tie breaker?  but a stain no less…he's with us with more than he's against us and in this environment we need more of those than hardliners

Fine but no I will not celebrate Manchin winning…I will take it

It’s not just about voting record…Manchin is a bit of a sleaze

Is the term "messianic government" a right wing talking point?

My wife was trading texts with her Trump-voting mom, and her mom said she is sick of "messianic government."

i've haven't heard of "messianic government" previously, but methinks that the like of Pence and Co. would describe their administration as "messianic", no? 


is you MiL using it as an insult or a compliment? 

sweetcell wrote:
i've haven't heard of "messianic government" previously, but methinks that the like of Pence and Co. would describe their administration as "messianic", no? 


is you MiL using it as an insult or a compliment?

She was sort of using it to distance herself from Trump, but lumped "the idyllic Obama" in as part of the "messianic government as well."

This is another reason why we need a young President. Most old people are batshit crazy.

I get the concept though, I think it's akin to cult of personality. . .
How many people were jazzed that Obama won re-election all while the Ds bled state, senate and congressional seats? I know that at the time I viewed that as the bigger win. I could see the way they used Obama's lack of executive experience vs. personality as reasons against his candidacy in the 2008 might be analogous.
I also do recall Trump running asserting that only he could fix our governments ills i.e. drain the swamp, protect our borders, get jobs back from (_____). 

evilizac wrote:
I get the concept though, I think it's akin to cult of personality. . .
How many people were jazzed that Obama won re-election all while the Ds bled state, senate and congressional seats? I know that at the time I viewed that as the bigger win. I could see the way they used Obama's lack of executive experience vs. personality as reasons against his candidacy in the 2008 might be analogous.
I also do recall Trump running asserting that only he could fix our governments ills i.e. drain the swamp, protect our borders, get jobs back from (_____).

Thanks. Interesting take. If we drink enough Xmas wine, perhaps I'll ask her what she meant. If your read is correct, I guess she won't care much for Beto.

I was playing the 'what is the difference' between who the two parties elected in 2018 and I just can't put my finger on it?

Ok..the Dems don't have any one with an Eye Patch

Yeah but we got Jesus!

Sidehatch wrote:
Ok..the Dems don't have any one with an Eye Patch

Be careful, you're about to go full Pete Davidson.

Julian, wrote:

Sidehatch wrote:
Ok..the Dems don't have any one with an Eye Patch

Be careful, you're about to go full Pete Davidson.

you are correct…I forgot about that and just read this
Crenshaw won his race against Democrat Todd Litton. During his acceptance speech, Crenshaw credited Davidson's joke for giving him a boost in popularity. 
But I didn't mock him, I mocked the Dem's for not being more diverse to represent the uni-oclular

probaly a good time to quote scripture
Luke 11:34: "If therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness."

"The proportion of white men within the Democratic caucus is set to drop from 41% to 38% next year, while the same percentage is set to rise among Republicans from 86% to 90%." (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/14/congress-diversity-democrats-republicans-photo)

according to 2010 census, white men are approximately 35-36% of the overall population… so the Dems actually reflect the makeup  of the US.