New Foo Fighters

What's this technology that's being used on the new Foo Fighters album? My friend bought it yesterday and said he can't rip it to MP3 or play it on his computer. I looked on allmusic and found this:

[In Your Honor was released in two editions: a copy-protected CD that will not play on your computer without installing a separate media player, and a DualDisc, containing a CD on one side and a DVD on the other. The DualDisc has a 5.1 mix version of the album on the DVD side, along with a very informative and entertaining documentary about the making of the album, tracing it from pre-production through the construction of a studio and to the recording of the two albums. The CD side of the DualDisc would not register on this reviewer's computer, although it did play on a CD player.]

does this mean it's impossible to rip this into MP3s? there must be an easy way around this, like everything else …
Take it back to the store. Demand your money back.
wow, i would be really fucking pissed if i was a foo fighters fan … no respect at all …

what's really funny, is that on the band's OFFICIAL message board, the admins are posting ways around the copy protection:

http://www.foofighters.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=8335
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Take it back to the store. Demand your money back.
or vandalize the store
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
http://www.sunncomm.com/support/sonybmg/
Like I said, take it back to the store.

If they (Sony, EMI, whoever) are going to be dicks about it and make you jump through hoops just to use their product, and a dozen more hoops to put it on your iPod, then you should refuse to buy the record.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
If they (Sony, EMI, whoever) are going to be dicks about it and make you jump through hoops just to use their product, and a dozen more hoops to put it on your iPod, then you should refuse to buy the record.
i agree 100% … do you think the band knew this was happening to their album? seems like a really dick move to pull on their fans, and i'm sure they're not making any new friends with it.
The Dead 60's CD requires you to load software to listen to it on a PC… So much for being "punk"

Who else is sick of seeing this plastered all over thier CDs.

<img src="http://hi-fipop.com/sealofbs.jpg" alt=" - " />

On one CD I counted four seperate warnings about piracy. The irony of the situation is that of that last batch of CDs I got the ones enjoyed most were the ones without this seal and on indie labels. Nic Armstrong (NewWest Records) and Maximo Park (Warp).

Does this type of copy protection work against a standalone CD Burner? Silly silly record exec… Has the cost of cocaine and hookers gone up again?
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
If they (Sony, EMI, whoever) are going to be dicks about it and make you jump through hoops just to use their product, and a dozen more hoops to put it on your iPod, then you should refuse to buy the record.
i agree 100%
I agree too…I understand the desire to thwart illegal copying and sharing, but I bought it and I want it on my goddamn iPod. Blech.

That said, I just ordered the "dual disc" from Tower Records so I can get the DVD…
note the last paragraph … d'oh!
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Two Platters, Few Tasty Morsels From Foo Fighters

By Sean Daly
Special to The Washington Post
Wednesday, June 15, 2005; Page C01

Young, restless rock star Dave Grohl must feel a whole lot older than his 36 years. Raised in the Washington area, the well-worn talent has already amassed a whirlwind résumé: former drummer for genre-defining grungers Nirvana, current front man for best-selling pop-rockers the Foo Fighters, maniac behind speed-metal project Probot, prolific special-guest drummer for such big, bad bands as Queens of the Stone Age and Nine Inch Nails.

Then there's his Ozzyload of personal travails: dealing with Kurt Cobain's death, Kurt Cobain's widow and, to some extent, Kurt Cobain's looming legacy – even though Grohl has proven just as talented as the accursed Bard of Seattle. (Save your stamps, flannel flock. You know it's true.)

The Foo Fighters – whose fifth album, "In Your Honor," was released yesterday – have gone through all manner of rocky lineup changes. Still, the band has been good therapy for the foremost Foo, who has shared his life on a cocky post-Nirvana debut, a pop-based follow-up, a high-concept third outing and a fourth album devoted to bad love.

Grohl even invented a profitable new sound along the way, smoothly blending grunge's anger with sleek, clean choruses that shine like SoCal sunsets.

So with all that history, and with all those rock-star cliches under his belt, what's a Foo to do to keep things interesting?

Why, make a big, bloated double album, of course, with 10 tracks devoted to rage and rumble, and another 10 of whispery, acoustic-based ballads. A celebration of the band's 10th anniversary – drummer Taylor Hawkins, guitarist Chris Shiflett and bassist Nate Mendel complete the quartet – this is the album that will forever divide Foo fans into Those Who Liked "In Your Honor" and Those Who Returned "In Your Honor" And Used the Money to Buy Another Back Tattoo.

Grohl has said "In Your Honor" is a gift to his fans, an outpouring of his cumulative thoughts and emotions. The disappointing truth, however, is that despite the twin-platter presentation, the album often sounds uninspired. For the first time, Grohl just doesn't have that much to say: The songs are Matchbox 20 deep at best. Imagine a Foo Fighters album without the window-smashing highs and a lot fewer singalongs. It's not bad – but it ain't all that great, either.

You could even say that Grohl has already made this album, and he did it much better the first time. The phenomenal "There Is Nothing Left to Lose" (1999) was a conceptual travelogue as Grohl and Co. lambasted the phoniness of Los Angeles with a handful of ferocious slapshots then "musically" moved across the country to Virginia, where the honesty and realness of the Old Dominion was celebrated with tingly alt-country charmers.

Not only was it a smart idea, but almost all of the songs were endlessly catchy and radio dynamite. "In Your Honor" also addresses Grohl's split personality, but here there's no genuine emotion – on the hard songs or the soft – and most of those glorious hooks have gone missing.

Before getting lost in a loud, lackluster drone of chugga-chugga power chords and ho-hum aggression, Disc 1 holds a few fine moments. The title track gets hard, harder, hardest, with Grohl's underrated voice unleashing that trademark two-step of throat-scraping rebel yells and Beach Boys-style sunniness. "No Way Back" and "Best of You" sound like surly leftovers from 2002's breakup disc "One by One," with Grohl going from solemn to Satanic in seconds, and Hawkins – think the Muppets' Animal in human form – flailing away with a sinister sense of rhythm. The album's best cut, "DOA," is an apocalyptic mosh of "we're doomed" lyrics – "It's a shame we have to die my dear / No one's getting out of here alive" – and an out-of-nowhere chorus that you could surf, too.

A few synthy swirls and prickly guitar work appear here and there on the perilously mellow Disc 2, but there just aren't enough twists to keep the pretty approach from becoming pretty dull. Opening song "Still" ("If you'd like to walk awhile / We could waste a day") stands out as the best tune on the soft side, but perhaps that's because I listened to the discs back-to-back and my ears were thankful for the rest. And "What If I Do" has an easy-breezy campfire charm and a wistful vibe.

Significant ballyhoo has surrounded jazz-folkstress Norah Jones's cameo on "In Your Honor," but her duet with Grohl, "Virginia Moon," will no doubt induce cringes back at the Foo Fan Club. Sure, she knows her slinky way around a bossa nova, but Grohl sounds like a hobo who wandered in off the street.

Album closer "Razor" starts off as a classical gas, as Grohl and Queens of the Stone Age's Josh Homme trade fluttery guitar parts back and forth. But then the lyrics kick in – "Sweet and divine / Razor of mine" – and things go bad-teen-poetry in a hurry.

If you take both discs and do a little iPod paring, there's a nice mix to be had here. Taken as a massive whole, however, "In Your Honor" gives Grohl a dubious new entry on his otherwise impressive résumé: "career disappointment."
Hoya, what are they saying on the Foo bulletin board? I can't get in (I'm a member…), I keep getting:

There seems to have been a slight problem with the database.
Please try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser.

An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, who you can also contact if the problem persists.

We apologise for any inconvenience.
Anybody know if it will rip on a Mac? I've purchased several copy-protected discs before and I've been able to rip them on my Mac every time. It seems the CD copy protection that I've encountered so far has only worked on Windows. I'm just wondering if the Foo Fighters disc uses the same kind of copy protection.

The Foo Fighters forum appears to be down…. Pissed off fans who can't rip their CDs?
Originally posted by Bags:
Hoya, what are they saying on the Foo bulletin board? I can't get in (I'm a member…), I keep getting:

There seems to have been a slight problem with the database.
Please try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser.

An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, who you can also contact if the problem persists.

We apologise for any inconvenience.
I'm getting the same message … i assume they're being swamped with a) normally big traffic for an album release b) people looking for answers on how to get the album onto their ipod
Originally posted by Darth Ed:
The Foo Fighters forum appears to be down…. Pissed off fans who can't rip their CDs?
I think they're in the midst of re-doing the whole website. You can go to different sections of the website (ie, news, tour, shows), but there's no content there yet. They're certainly redesigning the page to all have the look of "In Your Honour" – they did the same for "One by One." (A couple days ago the whole website was pretty much blank…)

This should really have been done before the release date of the album, though…
-edit- Woops
I know the new Dave Matthews Band CD also pulled the thing with the jump through hoops…really, its a slap in the face of the people who actually buy the disc and only want to rip it for the ipods….
Fair use as you know it has been destroyed. If the music companies expect us to buy a CD copy and a digital copy of music, then now, the Federal Gov will finally listen - I guarantee you.

Sony has gotten itself in a quandry worse than Apple could ever do. Sony Music has made Sony audio devices very problematic to use, with even their own music. Sony music has actually sued other Sony divisions over technology enabling Mp3 playback. Oh what a tangled web we weave….

And of all things, you've got a UK firm to thank: http://www.first4internet.com

These music CDs have an embedded DRM (Digital Rights Management) system, which would allow no digital copies to be made of the disc. In addition, the user will only be able to make a limited number of physical copies of the disc. Sony has plans to immediately release ten titles to test this scheme, but has refused to elaborate on which ones.

Thus far it looks like DMB and the Foos were first out of the gate…
June 14, 2005
Sony BMG Tries to Limit Copying of Latest CD's

By JEFF LEEDS

The world's second-biggest music corporation is rolling out its latest answer to digital piracy.

The company, Sony BMG Music Entertainment, which is owned by Sony and Bertelsmann, is outfitting a broad selection of its latest CD's with software that restricts copying.

The company's use of the software, which is designed to limit consumers to making no more than three copies of a CD, reflects an effort to alter a format that is two decades old and contains music that can be readily copied and digitally distributed.

With the release of more than two dozen copy-restricted titles so far this year, including albums on sale today from the Backstreet Boys, the Foo Fighters and George Jones, Sony BMG is placing a bigger bet on the technology than other companies have, particularly in the United States, the world's biggest market. Sony BMG, which is second in size to Vivendi Universal-owned Universal Music Group, and the two other major record companies have been releasing CD's with anti-copying software in other countries.

But executives at Sony BMG's rivals have been reluctant to release titles with the restrictive software in the United States. They said the software was too easily defeated and that working versions did not allow consumers to transfer music to portable devices and music players as freely as the industry would like.

The companies have been pressing Apple Computer to amend its software to make it compatible with the tools used to restrict copying.

The restrictive software Sony BMG is using on CD's, like it did earlier this year with "Stand Up" by the Dave Matthews Band - is not compatible with Apple's popular iPod. Owners of Apple computers using iPods are able to copy and transfer music on the restricted compact discs freely; the restrictions block PC owners from transferring music to their iPods. But it allows transfers to music players using Microsoft's Windows software.

Thomas Hesse, president for global digital business at Sony BMG, said Apple could "flick a switch" to amend its programming to work with the restrictive software.

"Its just a proprietary decision by Apple to decide whether to play along or not," Mr. Hesse said. "I don't know what more waiting we have to do. We think we need to move this forward. Time is ticking, infringement of intellectual property is happening all over, and we've got to put a stop to it I think."

Apple declined to comment.

Mike McGuire, an analyst at Gartner G2, said the move by Sony BMG "looks to me like a very interesting public negotiation."

In fact, consumers requesting help through a Web site set up by Sony BMG to explain the technology receive an e-mail message telling how PC users can work around the CD's software to unlock the music files and make them available for unlimited copying and transferring.

Music executives say the restricted CD's the music industry has released so far - most prominently BMG's sale of Velvet Revolver's "Contraband," last year - have resulted in virtually no consumer complaints. But analysts say that may be because consumers still have such an easy time breaking the restrictions or acquiring the music for free on unrestricted online file-sharing networks.

Still, Mr. Hesse said the introduction of limits on CD's would set the stage for record companies establish new business models. For instance, Mr. Hesse said, a record company using restrictive software might be able to charge a premium for the early online release of a forthcoming album. Mr. Hesse said the restricted CDs are "a strong educational tool to communicate to consumers that there is a limit of what they're really allowed to do with the intellectual property that they have just acquired."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/14/business/media/14music.html
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
The Dead 60's CD requires you to load software to listen to it on a PC… So much for being "punk"

Who else is sick of seeing this plastered all over thier CDs.

&lt;img src="http://hi-fipop.com/sealofbs.jpg" alt=" - " /&gt;

On one CD I counted four seperate warnings about piracy. The irony of the situation is that of that last batch of CDs I got the ones enjoyed most were the ones without this seal and on indie labels. Nic Armstrong (NewWest Records) and Maximo Park (Warp).

Does this type of copy protection work against a standalone CD Burner? Silly silly record exec… Has the cost of cocaine and hookers gone up again?
Is the Dead 60s album out over there or are you talking about a cd single? The album has been delayed coming out in the UK for a couple of months but the promo cds are available now. There's no problem listening to them or ripping the tracks to mp3's.
That's the article I read. Thanks GGW for posting it.