vansmack
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Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 06:27 PM UTC
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Hey, when you lose out to Baltimore and Riverside (??!?!?!) it's time for a change.
http://www.rd.com/content/openContent.do?contentId=15115 Readers Digest: …analyzing data to score each of the 50 largest cities on air quality, water quality, industrial pollution (toxics), Superfund sites, and sanitation. Rather than just the cities themselves, we looked at metropolitan areas, which include surrounding counties and suburbs. (This can have a real effect on a placeâ??s score; Chicago, for example, has excellent water but its score is brought down by problems in the outlying areas). Because we only looked at the 50 largest places, there may be smaller cities that are much cleaner or dirtier than theseâ??and because the scores represent relative rankings, that a city comes in first or last in a given category does not necessarily mean itâ??s perfectly pristine or dangerously filthy.
50 Cleanest Metro Areas in America Portland (OR) 44.00
San Jose 40.71
Buffalo 38.29
Columbus 37.33
San Francisco 36.57 Denver 36.17
Rochester (NY) 35.71
Austin 34.00
Orlando 33.86
San Diego 32.57
Hartford 31.71
Sacramento 31.57
Las Vegas 31.43
San Antonio 31.00
Oklahoma City 30.57
Minneapolis 30.43
Indianapolis 30.29
Salt Lake City 30.00
Jacksonville 29.50
Charlotte 28.71
Virginia Beach 28.00
Cincinnati 27.29
Nashville 27.14
Riverside (CA) 26.43 New Orleans 26.14
Milwaukee 25.71
Seattle 25.57
Baltimore 25.29 Miami 25.00
Dallas 24.71
Tampa 24.29
Memphis 23.86
Providence 23.43
Louisville 23.00
Washington (DC) 22.57 Phoenix 22.00
Detroit 21.86
Richmond 21.86
Cleveland 21.57
Atlanta 19.43
Houston 19.14
Los Angeles 18.29
Boston 18.14
Philadelphia 18.14
Kansas City 18.00
Birmingham 17.86
St. Louis 17.00
Pittsburgh 11.29
New York 8.33
Chicago 6.71
ratioci nation
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 06:30 PM UTC
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poor St. Louis
Portland sure has a lot going for it though.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 06:38 PM UTC
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Perhaps it was just the neighborhoods I was hanging around in, but I just returned from San Francisco, which I can say was the dirtiest, ugliest city full of fucked up degenerates in America. You want to see loser white people, just go to San Fran.
Good food, cd shopping and thrift store shopping there though, I'll give them that.
ggw
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 06:40 PM UTC
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Originally posted by general grievous:
Portland sure has a lot going for it though.
Doesn't it lead the nation in heroin overdoses?
Sir HC
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 06:41 PM UTC
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Call it Frisco, that really riles up the natives (those that have lived there 10 months or more). It was cleaner than DC, yeah, there are more homeless, even in Berkeley, but still cleaner than here.
I was yelled at by some hippie woman for idling my car while reading a map. She claimed it was illegal to do.
ratioci nation
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 06:42 PM UTC
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Doesn't it lead the nation in heroin overdoses?
dont know, but that would be one of many great qualities
Rhett Miller
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 06:48 PM UTC
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My wife had some unwashed homeless addict get up in her face and call her a "scumbag", completely unprovoked. He was lucky he didn't get spat upon by me, or punched by her.
The hotel ( the Ramada Interntational) we were in had beefed up security because someone had gotten into to hotel, knocked on an elderly couples door, and stabbed the guy a number of times before the wife came out of the shower and figured out what was going on and started screaming for help.
South of Market, Market Street, the Tenderloin, the Mission, and the Haight are all just filled with trash, and I'm not just talking about the people. And don't get me started on the moron hippies in Golden Gate Park.
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Call it Frisco, that really riles up the natives (those that have lived there 10 months or more). It was cleaner than DC, yeah, there are more homeless, even in Berkeley, but still cleaner than here.
I was yelled at by some hippie woman for idling my car while reading a map. She claimed it was illegal to do.
ggw
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 06:49 PM UTC
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Originally posted by general grievous:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Doesn't it lead the nation in heroin overdoses?
dont know, but that would be one of many great qualities
It also leads the nation in
teen meth use.
vansmack
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 06:52 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Perhaps it was just the neighborhoods I was hanging around in, but I just returned from San Francisco, which I can say was the dirtiest, ugliest city full of fucked up degenerates in America. You want to see loser white people, just go to San Fran.
You should have called. I might even have bought your wife a drink.
As far as being a bunch of degenerates, you really should venture out of Golden Gate Park and The Haight. San Francisco just passed Stamford, CT and is behind only Boulder, CO as being one of the most educated cities in America. Nearly 48% of our residents have a bachelors degree and almost 20% have a post doc degree. I know having an education doesn't necessarily mean we're all using it, but if you've got a better indicator I'd be willing to listen.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 06:57 PM UTC
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Well I did see a whole lot more people sleeping on the streets of San Francisco than I do on the streets of DC.
In all fairness, we didn't get to go everywhere in San Fran, because of limited time (and I've been to other parts on other occasions).
Didn't know you were in SF. I guess I don't read the boards that closely.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Perhaps it was just the neighborhoods I was hanging around in, but I just returned from San Francisco, which I can say was the dirtiest, ugliest city full of fucked up degenerates in America. You want to see loser white people, just go to San Fran.
You should have called. I might even have bought your wife a drink.
As far as being a bunch of degenerates, you really should venture out of Golden Gate Park and The Haight. San Francisco just passed Stamford, CT and is behind only Boulder, CO as being one of the most educated cities in America. Nearly 48% of our residents have a bachelors degree and almost 20% have a post doc degree. I know having an education doesn't necessarily mean we're all using it, but if you've got a better indicator I'd be willing to listen.
ggw
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 06:58 PM UTC
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Originally posted by vansmack:
As far as being a bunch of degenerates, you really should venture out of Golden Gate Park and The Haight. San Francisco just passed Stamford, CT and is behind only Boulder, CO as being one of the most educated cities in America. Nearly 48% of our residents have a bachelors degree and almost 20% have a post doc degree. I know having an education doesn't necessarily mean we're all using it, but if you've got a better indicator I'd be willing to listen.
Sure, but DC has the most advanced degrees, and the suburbs are kicking educated ass.
In March, a Census Bureau survey indicated that nearly one in five Seattle residents has a graduate or professional degree, ranking the city second nationally only behind Washington, D.C., in that category.
In the national list of counties…Howard County in Maryland tops the national list with 58.2 percent of its residents older than 25 with a college degree, followed by Montgomery County, Md., (56.3 percent), Fairfax County, Va., (55.9 percent) and Boulder County, Colo., (55.2 percent).
http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2004/05/10/daily1.html
godsshoeshine
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 07:01 PM UTC
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wow…pittsburgh only beats new york and chitown. air quality is better there than here, streets are clean, must be all that mercury in the ohier river
ratioci nation
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 07:01 PM UTC
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
It also leads the nation in teen meth use.
so, in other words, teens looking to do anything to score some meth, even better
elj
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 07:03 PM UTC
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DC-ites, take heart: you kicked both my current residence (Richmond) and my hometown's (Detroit) ass.
vansmack
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 07:08 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Well I did see a whole lot more people sleeping on the streets of San Francisco than I do on the streets of DC.
Probably because it doesn't snow here. The weather is nice year round making it attractive to the homeless. Our Mayor has a new program that is trying to help the homeless situation here and in it's first year the results have been fairly positive. I his good work continues because the homeless situation here is in dire need of attention.
That hotel you stayed at is right in the heart of the tenderloin. Not a comfortable place to be for any long period of time. I would suggest next time you visit priceline or hotwire a hotel in the Union Square East neighborhood and you'll be able to get nice hotels at reduced rates.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 07:10 PM UTC
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That's because all of the poor uneducated minorities were driven out of San Francisco by ridiculous housing costs, to Oakland and beyond.
Originally posted by vansmack:
As far as being a bunch of degenerates, you really should venture out of Golden Gate Park and The Haight. San Francisco just passed Stamford, CT and is behind only Boulder, CO as being one of the most educated cities in America. Nearly 48% of our residents have a bachelors degree and almost 20% have a post doc degree. I know having an education doesn't necessarily mean we're all using it, but if you've got a better indicator I'd be willing to listen. [/QB]
vansmack
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 07:14 PM UTC
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Sure, but DC has the most advanced degrees, and the suburbs are kicking educated ass.
Absolutely. I never said DC or even the DC area was full of degenerates. As a matter of fact my census data (2002) is likely part of those DC statistics.
vansmack
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Re: Baltimore Cleaner than DC
June 16, 2005 at 07:17 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
That's because all of the poor uneducated minorities were driven out of San Francisco by ridiculous housing costs, to Oakland and beyond.
It's a good thing that's not happening in DC, LA, NY, Chicago, or any other big city in America.