Originally posted by distance:wasn't that list the one was sent to University Entertainment boards? those prices are inflated because the promoters know that those organization are less experienced in concert promotion and because they have student activity money to supplement appearence fees are probably willing to pay higher than the market would pay such acts.
well the reason that coldplay's ticket prices have gone up is that they're obviously charging more per appearance. i think we all remember the clearchannel band cost list that circulates every spring..
bands like tool and the dixie chicks charged 200,000-250,000 and such… but when were their ticket prices $69 before fees? i know tool's weren't and i doubt the dixie chicks' prices were that high. i don't want to even imagine what the rate for coldplay is.
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man. what kills me is that EVERYONE in here. and i mean EVERYONE, would do the exact same thing. it doesnt make you morally bankrupt to charge what you are "worth".
Originally posted by distance:That seems like a bit of ad populum though. Is it OK for someone to make as much money as possible as long as they don't care about world conditions? Or is it only OK if they're not rich, because rich people aren't entitled to still be capitalistic? The third world nations Martin speaks about are somehow helped if middle america gets their Coldplay ticket prices slashed by $20? Ever consider maybe he's using part of his fortune to help out charities.
when said thing comes up, you are already a multi-millionaire and probably have more money than you'll be able to spend unless you start buying up small islands and such.
there just comes a point where a person that seems to be as 'for the little guy' (3rd world countries) as chris martin wants people to think that would be like "no. our shows don't need to cost that much money." doesn't that seem a bit reasonable?
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:lowering ticket prices, ass. thats what we're talking about.
Originally posted by sonickteam4:people willingly spend billions of dollars on sports … where should that money go? the owners of teams? give all the players a $100k salary?
oh like millionaire athletes? nice.
does EVERYBODY include Fugazi? will Coldplay being making an appearence at Ft. Reno this summer?
Originally posted by sonickteam4:No, I disagree…not all bands are going to command and get $70. Look, bands DON'T sell out 9:30 Club all the time, at much lower prices. And, sometimes, a band doesn't sell out because its prices are too high.
Coldplay is just being greedy. and sooner or later, if everyone follows thier little standard, we will all be saving up for those 3 shows a year we go to, and only people with good paying jobs or rich parents will be going to shows.
If a band can sell out at a price, why not get it.
Concerts are not a public good, I hate to say, and do not need to be offered at cost-based pricing, say.
Originally posted by sonickteam4:Huh? This just doesn't make sense (as in I don't know what you're trying to say, not that you're wrong)
the point is, if you wanna go see a show, you get tickets. and if you wanna pay more, pay more. but dont just charge $70 to everyone. thats wikked lame.
And to Hoya – this "category of fans" thing makes no sense. Point is, they have a LOT of fans. Doesn't matter a toss if they're cool indie hipsters or Hootie-loving soccer moms. Both groups are willing to pay to see this show.
Originally posted by BookerT:best i could find:
i think we all remember the clearchannel band cost list that circulates every spring..i was just thinking about this … i know it was posted here a while back, can someone post it again? sorry to take us off topic. wait, no i'm not.
http://www.clearchannelcollegeentertainment.com/searchresults.php?searchtype=alpha&alpha=all
Originally posted by distance:they could have charged $8-$13 more (possibly $18, but that's pushing it) … it's this simple: fans of godspeed go to many shows, most of which are in the $10-$30 range … fans of coldplay go to fewer shows, many of which are more than $40
godspeed you! black emperor could have charged way more than $12 for the last tour. but they charged $12 for every show. and the canadian shows were $12 CDN(which meant a GREAT deal for those of us coming from the US). other bands set a price that they think is a reasonable amount for people to pay and don't try to milk their fanbase for every single possible cent that they can.
coldplay has determined that they'd rather cultivate these more casual fans rather than their hipper, more up-on-music fanbase … many bands do it, and it's just the way it goes when you hit the mainstream
Originally posted by GabrielG54:Your point is valid only if the sole goal of the enterprise is to maximize its profit.
people just ask yourself this. if you created something and your financial advisor said - statistics show that although not every person can afford to spend this much, you are still guaranteed to sell out of your product at this price point - would why would you say "no thanks. make it cheaper. we'll let others sell them on the black market for more money".
call them greedy. call them businessmen. i dont care. i willingly paid 70 bucks. there are 20,000 other people in the area that will as well. big whoop.
One would assume – given Mr. Martin's tirades against shareholders and other sundry anti-business, pro-art-for-the-masses statements – that this is not their aim.
then again, perhaps it is…..
Starting your ticket prices at what you believe to be the scalpable level shows that you are more interested in hording profits than in reaching the younger and/or income-challenged fans; whom you have priced out of the show.
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:Please tell me that you forgot your [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags when you typed that…
That seems like a bit of ad populum though. Is it OK for someone to make as much money as possible as long as they don't care about world conditions? Or is it only OK if they're not rich, because rich people aren't entitled to still be capitalistic? The third world nations Martin speaks about are somehow helped if middle america gets their Coldplay ticket prices slashed by $20? Ever consider maybe he's using part of his fortune to help out charities.
Originally posted by GabrielG54:if i thought i was squeezing every last dollar out of my fans, just to make it to my have been called a socialist though, and i dont share all of your capitalist values. which is why I'm broke.
man. what kills me is that EVERYONE in here. and i mean EVERYONE, would do the exact same thing. it doesnt make you morally bankrupt to charge what you are "worth".
(that and i just bought a house, HOYA!)
Originally posted by vansmack:No, I'm not sarcastic. Distance is saying somehow the facts (a) Chris Martin is rich and (b) Chris Martin protests for third world debt relief factors into this, and I don't see how. Do rich people not get to continue making money? Where I'm from we fought a Cold War to stand up against that type of thinking. And how would third world nations be helped by Coldplay lowering ticket prices?
Please tell me that you forgot your [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags when you typed that…
if a band wants to set their ticket prices at $70 a pop thats fine with me. but to justify that price because of what brokers might charge is flawed logic. charging fans more money because some might be lost to ticket brokers is silly, that not market driven it's greedy.
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:no. they CAN charge waht they want and they are.
[That seems like a bit of ad populum though. Is it OK for someone to make as much money as possible as long as they don't care about world conditions? Or is it only OK if they're not rich, because rich people aren't entitled to still be capitalistic? The third world nations Martin speaks about are somehow helped if middle america gets their Coldplay ticket prices slashed by $20? Ever consider maybe he's using part of his fortune to help out charities.
and they CAN make more money and they will.
they don't HAVE to double the price from last tour. it's not like they're struggling to get by. i'm just saying they're in a position where they COULD charge less money.
they're making that choice. i'm making the choice not to give them any of MY money.
if other fools want to throw their money at chris martin, i know they're going to do so.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:Nope, that's not the market dynamic. It has nothing to do with lost revenues, and all to do with overall market prices. The prices aren't higher because scalpers make a bundle on some tickets, but because 90% of people are willing to pay $60. If those people who'd be 'happy' paying $30 won't go higher than that, then Coldplay won't sell enough tickets at $60 to make it worth raising the price.
ok so 90% of the tickets bought endup in fans hands at $30 a pop, but because the other 10% might be brokered at $100+. that "lose" of revenue to brokers dictate the price of the ticket needs to be higher so the band makes more money on the 90% who would have been happy paying $30 to begin with?
The only role the scalpers play is in indicating how high demand is for the show overall. But, again, when they get super high prices, those are only spikes from uber-fans, and don't translate into the overall general sale price at all.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:I agree, the ticket broker thing is ridiculous, but 90% of the people in this thread are going "the kid made points a, b, c, and d, and while a, b, and c are accurate, we'll just write the entire argument off because d is way off."
if a band wants to set their ticket prices at $70 a pop thats fine with me. but to justify that price because of what brokers might charge is flawed logic.
Originally posted by GabrielG54:no. not everyone would. not everyone does.
man. what kills me is that EVERYONE in here. and i mean EVERYONE, would do the exact same thing. it doesnt make you morally bankrupt to charge what you are "worth".
i wouldn't do it. i think it's unethical to take your 'fans' for a ride for every cent you can possible shake out of their pockets.
Originally posted by Bags:ok, firstly. you're right, we'll still be able to see some shows, but after a while, will be be basically all new bands, cult bands, or the ever-popular reunion shows that may or may not have been a good idea?
Originally posted by sonickteam4:No, I disagree…not all bands are going to command and get $70. Look, bands DON'T sell out 9:30 Club all the time, at much lower prices. And, sometimes, a band doesn't sell out because its prices are too high.
Coldplay is just being greedy. and sooner or later, if everyone follows thier little standard, we will all be saving up for those 3 shows a year we go to, and only people with good paying jobs or rich parents will be going to shows.
If a band can sell out at a price, why not get it.
Concerts are not a public good, I hate to say, and do not need to be offered at cost-based pricing, say.
Originally posted by sonickteam4:Huh? This just doesn't make sense (as in I don't know what you're trying to say, not that you're wrong)
the point is, if you wanna go see a show, you get tickets. and if you wanna pay more, pay more. but dont just charge $70 to everyone. thats wikked lame.
and the part you didnt understand: of all the shows i try to go see, I almost NEVER have to buy from a scalper. if i really wanna go, i make sure i get tickets. and if they sell out, i choose whether to just skip the show or pay a little more to get in.
scalpers arent making people buy tickets. and most people wouldnt pay that much. apparently Coldplay fans will.
Originally posted by distance:I can agree with all that, and I understand the distinction you're making.
they don't HAVE to double the price from last tour. it's not like they're struggling to get by. i'm just saying they're in a position where they COULD charge less money.
they're making that choice. i'm making the choice not to give them any of MY money.
Like I said earlier, I, and yourself, and no doubt many other people took one look at $70 tickets and said no way. That's our perrogative. But to rise to the extreme of "Chris Martin is evil" or "it's unconciable to charge this much" or give some reason why Chris Martin is wrong in exercising his perrogative over what he charges for tickets is ridiculous. Or to say other people exercising their perogative in buying Coldplay tickets are stupid is haughty as well. There's better things for moral outrage in the world then fucking Coldplay ticket prices.
Originally posted by sonickteam4:great to hear! congratulations are in order!!
(that and i just bought a house, HOYA!)
:D