Originally posted by mjnova:
No offense, but when has Maryland set a GOOD example so far as sports (or fan / student behavior) are concerned?
Maryland is complicit, and I go there, hence I think they're setting a bad example.
Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
Originally posted by mjnova:
Va Tech has agreed, no surpise. The reason that they look bad is that they flip flopped, and agreed immediately, too fast actually. They look really really really really desperate.If I was Virginia Tech, I would agree quickly too. Look at what conference they are in? they are in the Atlantic 10!!! Temple, Rhode Island, LaSalle, St. Josephs? all big football powerhouses!! haha VT has been carrying the weight of the entire A-10 football program, i am SURE they are sick of it.
This is a dream come true to VT.
Originally posted by mjnova:
How the HELL can they lose money when they don't pay the players, or give them royalties from all the clothing they sell? Sounds like a load of horse-crap if you ask me…maybe that lying reporter for the NY Times wrote the article.
There was a big article in, I think the NYTimes magazine saying that football teams actually tend to lose a lot of money. Funny, huh?
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by mjnova:I do not think that collegiate athletes can sell clothing or do any endorsements. just for corrections sake.
How the HELL can they lose money when they don't pay the players, or give them royalties from all the clothing they sell? Sounds like a load of horse-crap if you ask me…maybe that lying reporter for the NY Times wrote the article.
There was a big article in, I think the NYTimes magazine saying that football teams actually tend to lose a lot of money. Funny, huh?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:Uh, they're in the Big East conference.
If I was Virginia Tech, I would agree quickly too. Look at what conference they are in? they are in the Atlantic 10!!! Temple, Rhode Island, LaSalle, St. Josephs? all big football powerhouses!! haha VT has been carrying the weight of the entire A-10 football program, i am SURE they are sick of it.
This is a dream come true to VT.
Originally posted by vansmack:sorry
Originally posted by sonickteam2:Uh, they're in the Big East conference.
If I was Virginia Tech, I would agree quickly too. Look at what conference they are in? they are in the Atlantic 10!!! Temple, Rhode Island, LaSalle, St. Josephs? all big football powerhouses!! haha VT has been carrying the weight of the entire A-10 football program, i am SURE they are sick of it.
This is a dream come true to VT.
i am a basketball fan.
Originally posted by mankie:Among many other things Title IX, which requires the revenue of mens sports to be shared equally with womens sports, which don't earn as much revenue at most schools.
How the HELL can they lose money when they don't pay the players, or give them royalties from all the clothing they sell? Sounds like a load of horse-crap if you ask me…maybe that lying reporter for the NY Times wrote the article.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by mankie:I see an awful lot of collegiate sports clothing…someone is making a lorry load of money from it, and I know it's not the players.
Originally posted by mjnova:I do not think that collegiate athletes can sell clothing or do any endorsements. just for corrections sake.
How the HELL can they lose money when they don't pay the players, or give them royalties from all the clothing they sell? Sounds like a load of horse-crap if you ask me…maybe that lying reporter for the NY Times wrote the article.
There was a big article in, I think the NYTimes magazine saying that football teams actually tend to lose a lot of money. Funny, huh?
DAMNIT!!! haha, wasnt Va Tech in the Atlantic 10 at one point in time? please tell me i am not a complete ninny.
Originally posted by mankie:well, i suppose its the university, but they probably use that to pay for the athletes every expense. which, if you saw the dorms the athletes stay in sometimes, WOOO DADDY!
I see an awful lot of collegiate sports clothing…someone is making a lorry load of money from it, and I know it's not the players.
One thing that I've learned about most schools and churches, they are some of the biggest money grabbers, in the name of (education/faith), out there! Doesn't matter whether they are public, private, State owned, whatever. They ALL want the money! Most of their policies are money driven and not what they claim to be. At least, professional teams are honest enough to admit it. Professional teams are about the business of sports. Colleges use sports to suck in loads of money in the name of education.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:I dunno, but it was really funny when you said that, cause for a second, I thought I might have been wrong.
DAMNIT!!! haha, wasnt Va Tech in the Atlantic 10 at one point in time? please tell me i am not a complete ninny.
And mankie, you're right about merchandise. There are certainly jerseys with players names on them, which would consitute expoiting poor college students . . . who will go on to be very rich.
But way off with the other comment. Think about the staff needed to maintain a college football team, coaches, recruiters, groundskeepers. Not to mention greasing of palms both on and off the record. And a bad year can do very nasty things to your finances if doners don't pony up. If a team keeps winning it can stay in the black, if it doesn't than things can turn sour very quickly.
So is there something wrong with a school, or any organization for that matter, that has aspirations to expand and better itself? Its not as if the college presidents are stuffing their pockets with TV revenues. It's my understanding that the money generated from sports goes back into the school and into the athletic facilities.
Originally posted by mjnova:Right. The student-athletes get a free education and they're the ones getting exploited.
And mankie, you're right about merchandise. There are certainly jerseys with players names on them, which would consitute expoiting poor college students . . . who will go on to be very rich.
It's us less physically gifted but smart kids that being exploited.
It's not easy being male middle class and white these days.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:At least in this respect your not. V Tech was in the A10 for some sports (and still might be in smalled sports) as recently as 2000.
DAMNIT!!! haha, wasnt Va Tech in the Atlantic 10 at one point in time? please tell me i am not a complete ninny.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Right. The student-athletes get a free education and they're the ones getting exploited.
IT'S NOT A FREE EDUCATION, IT'S A FREE CERTIFICATE. HOW MANY OF THEM ACTUALLY GET "EDUCATED", AS IN GO TO CLASS?
It's not easy being male middle class and white these days.
I HEAR YER BRO'''IT'S OLD BLACKY KEEPING US DOWN AGAIN.
Originally posted by vansmack:Cry me a fucking river. Sure we may get passed up for jobs and might not get into all the Ivys of the world, but I have very little to bitch about. Except for those "overcomming adversity" essays for college, those are just the toughest.
Originally posted by mjnova:Right. The student-athletes get a free education and they're the ones getting exploited.
And mankie, you're right about merchandise. There are certainly jerseys with players names on them, which would consitute expoiting poor college students . . . who will go on to be very rich.
It's us less physically gifted but smart kids that being exploited.
It's not easy being male middle class and white these days.
The problem though is when a college's rep is tied to sports. Maryland was "riot-school" which stemmed from the stupidity of students related to sports. Although the riots were pretty fun the first one or two times. And the recent coach firings show that colleges will do anything to cover their asses.
Originally posted by Mongo:When that is the case, it's one thing. I've known of a few cases, and not even at the college level, where there where lots of personal kick-backs and pay-offs at the expense of all others, especially of those whom they were supposed to be working for. A lot of it had nothing to do with sports either. I just know though that this sort of thing is more sports oriented in a college. It's more book companies and such at a lower level. Yes, it's illegal, but they still do it all the time.
So is there something wrong with a school, or any organization for that matter, that has aspirations to expand and better itself? Its not as if the college presidents are stuffing their pockets with TV revenues. It's my understanding that the money generated from sports goes back into the school and into the athletic facilities.
Anyway, too many schools will exploit sports and their players and pretend that they are offering such and 'education' when they are more concerned with how much money the teams are bringing in. Like any business, I know they need money but there is such a thing as honesty and business ethics.
Originally posted by Mongo:I didn't say it was wrong. As a matter of fact, it's the only chance the East as to compete.
So is there something wrong with a school, or any organization for that matter, that has aspirations to expand and better itself? Its not as if the college presidents are stuffing their pockets with TV revenues. It's my understanding that the money generated from sports goes back into the school and into the athletic facilities.
If you look at the demographics, the SEC controls the south, the Big 12 the southern-half of the midwest, the Big 10 (11) the northern half of the midwest, and the Pac 10 the west. With the east being split between 8 football school (the ACC) and the Big East with fewer football schools, but a plethora of basketball schools in both divisions, the East Coast is poorly represented in the big time football market for bowl games and TV rights. They had no choice but to try to make a big time east coast football coference, lest they be swallowed up in a few years time by the BCS money making conferences.
well, the entire acc is complicit, with the apparent exceptions of duke and north carolina. i think the worse behaviour is on virginia, holding out their vote unless vt got an invitation. so, voila, vt gets an invitation, and now there are 8 votes for expansion. sally jenkins in today's post has got this whole thing correct. this is nothing but a ploy by the acc leadership promising loads, or scads, of cash to the universities, but with only 11 teams, they can't hold a conference championship (which would generate tv revenue). if miami leaves, the big east loses football money from tv, and colleges that had been trying to build their football program get screwed since the big east will lose their automatic bid into the bcs. so, now, they'll run to take a school or two from conference usa (probably louisville). nevertheless, this is still a relatively neutral outcome, as opposed to worse case scenarios (that espn spent days writing about), such as the demise of the entire a-10 and conference usa.
i don't agree with what the acc is doing, since this is a blind grab at trying to get money that won't benefit a single school. after all, revenue won't go up by much and will have to be split 11 ways as opposed to 9 ways. anyway, i haven't agreed with conference switching since arkansas left the southwest conference for the money and glory of the sec. ha, we showed them up by forming the big 12, and general athletic superiority.
i don't agree with what the acc is doing, since this is a blind grab at trying to get money that won't benefit a single school. after all, revenue won't go up by much and will have to be split 11 ways as opposed to 9 ways. anyway, i haven't agreed with conference switching since arkansas left the southwest conference for the money and glory of the sec. ha, we showed them up by forming the big 12, and general athletic superiority.