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Originally posted by mjnova:
Cry me a fucking river. Sure we may get passed up for jobs and might not get into all the Ivys of the world, but I have very little to bitch about. Except for those "overcomming adversity" essays for college, those are just the toughest.

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
ha, we showed them up by forming the big 12, and general athletic superiority.

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by mjnova:
Cry me a fucking river. Sure we may get passed up for jobs and might not get into all the Ivys of the world, but I have very little to bitch about. Except for those "overcomming adversity" essays for college, those are just the toughest.

It was a joke, relax. I'm completely fine with the education I recieved (yet, am still paying for) and am quite happy for my less fortunate minority brothers and sisters who got into better graduate schools because of their minority status. I know they didn't have life as easy a childhood as I did growing up in white suburban Orange County and I for one am fine with them getting breaks in colleges and grad schools.

But I will not listen to student-athletes complain about their likenesses being used by colleges to sell tickets and t-shirts. they are there for free and they should show some respect. What they do with their opportunity is their choice.

As for your comment about reputation of the school, I have no idea what you're talking about in the context of this conversation.

Originally posted by mankie:
So with this new law the Supreme Court passed, will I be a shoo-in at Howard University seeing as I'm a minority there? (Or any other DC college for that matter)

Originally posted by mjnova:

My point is that sports are so tied into the fabric of schools now that a sports scandal has a far bigger impact, than say recuiting a nobel loriet (however you spell it) professor. I'm was just saying that things are really out of whack. Which is pretty obvious. [/QB]

Originally posted by Jaguär:

You'll get into the college but, if what I've heard is true, you won't get much attention in their emergency room.

This is true!

Actually I think this law they passed to give the blacks preference is more disparaging to themselves than anyone. When they graduate and go to get a job, the company are bound to think. "Huh, got into MI because they were black, not good eh" and I'd rather be accepted because I was qualified, not a certain color.

And isn't this a case of two wrongs making a right?

And does this law apply to all minorities?
Hispanics
Asians
Pacific Americans
Gays
Lesbians
Albinos
Cross-dressers
Native Indians
Scottish
Those people that have both a hoo-hoo and willie.
Left handed


Am I missing any group?

Originally posted by mjnova:
My point is that sports are so tied into the fabric of schools now that a sports scandal has a far bigger impact, than say recuiting a nobel loriet (however you spell it) professor. I'm was just saying that things are really out of whack. Which is pretty obvious.

Originally posted by vansmack:

And still, the majority of American students still pick their schools based on academic reputation, not athletic reputation.

Who you kidding smackie? Girls pick the school that has the "hottest guys" and boys pick the schools that has the most sluts, or rather NJ girls!

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by mjnova:
My point is that sports are so tied into the fabric of schools now that a sports scandal has a far bigger impact, than say recuiting a nobel loriet (however you spell it) professor. I'm was just saying that things are really out of whack. Which is pretty obvious.

It's a question of culture. If you're a pop culture person or spend most of your time watching network television you'd think that. NPR actually reports on universities landing top Nobel Laureates all the time. You might also be surprised to learn that despite these multi-million dollar TV deals and sports successes, the richest schools in America are still Harvard and Yale. Only Stanford is in the top five and has full D-1 athletics.

And still, the majority of American students still pick their schools based on academic reputation, not athletic reputation.

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by mjnova:
[qb] And still, the majority of American students still pick their schools based on academic reputation, not athletic reputation.

Those who have money do. Sadly, most of those I've known outside of particular colleges selected them moreso do to cost and sometimes location with reputation taking, at best, 3rd place. I would exclude the DC area though because it is very different from most of America.

Originally posted by Jaguär:
Those who have money do. Sadly, most of those I've known outside of particular colleges selected them moreso do to cost and sometimes location with reputation taking, at best, 3rd place. I would exclude the DC area though because it is very different from most of America.

Originally posted by Mongo:
Ha, and to think that U Conn just spent $90 million on their football facilities to get them up to speed for the Big East only to find out it's not as sweet a deal as they thought.

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that not ALL (or even most) of the money generated from sports, goes directly back into sports. If it did, then they would just be a pro sports team!

Originally posted by SueAndNotU:

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that not ALL (or even most) of the money generated from sports, goes directly back into sports. If it did, then they would just be a pro sports team!

Well, I can only speak for my school, but there was a big to-do from the students about sports and money. We have a multi-gazillion dollar stadium and sports is big business, and students were complaining about the money going into the athletic program. Turned out, according to school officials, that sports funds and student funds are kept separately. Stadium renovation and all those things are funded completely by revenue earned from ticket/merch sales (or money earmarked from alums), and that money does not mix with the rest of the university funds. So tuition and sports money are kept essentially separate. At least at one school.

Originally posted by SueAndNotU:

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that not ALL (or even most) of the money generated from sports, goes directly back into sports. If it did, then they would just be a pro sports team!

Well, I can only speak for my school, but there was a big to-do from the students about sports and money. We have a multi-gazillion dollar stadium and sports is big business, and students were complaining about the money going into the athletic program. Turned out, according to school officials, that sports funds and student funds are kept separately. Stadium renovation and all those things are funded completely by revenue earned from ticket/merch sales (or money earmarked from alums), and that money does not mix with the rest of the university funds. So tuition and sports money are kept essentially separate. At least at one school.