Marr and the healers

wingelbert humptyback

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 06:22 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: so was the Marr show full?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It had filled up a fair amount by the time Marr hit the stage, but there definitely seemed to be a handful of tickets left to be sold.

markie

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 06:28 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: so was the Marr show full?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It got fairly full just before the show. But about half-way through the show people started drifting off. It didnt sell out though, must of been about 200 people away from doing that. I was good to see so many board members there. It was fun, thanks!I thought the show was good, I really liked mellowdrone. I was vocal about my dread of Marr. but I was pleasently surprised I thought his voice sounded good and the whole show was quite rocking. I guess the two biggest put downs I heard were " the recorded material isnt as rocky" and "this sounds rather like oasis". I particularly liked Marrs guitar sound when he played the Rickenbacker, very much like the smiths. The best song was in my opinion was the bob dylan cover with just Jonny and the bassist playing the keyboard.It was erie to see Ringo Starr playing the drums. Made it feel like it was half way to some 70's supergroup.

wingelbert humptyback

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 06:42 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: It was erie to see Ringo Starr playing the drums. Made it feel like it was half way to some 70's supergroup.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I was sitting in the back of the room, but I am pretty sure that was Zak Starkey on the drums, not Ringo. He's Ringo's son though, so that's close.As for it being less rocky than the album, I'd honestly say I think that's a little off the mark. In fact, I thought it sounded very much like the album. Almost note for note for the most part.

markie

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 06:47 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback: I was sitting in the back of the room, but I am pretty sure that was Zak Starkey on the drums, not Ringo. He's Ringo's son though, so that's close.yes I know, I did think he looked absolutely identical to Ringo though. I was expecting him to start narrating, Thomas the tank engine stylee, any moment.As for it being less rocky than the album, I'd honestly say I think that's a little off the mark. In fact, I thought it sounded very much like the album. Almost note for note for the most part.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well I dont have the album, but I have four tracks off it and they sounded better last night than they do recorded. I think Jaguar thought the same.

jadetree

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 06:47 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: "this sounds rather like oasis"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>that was my thought when I heard the music on the site, I can imagine that making for a decent show though

markie

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 06:49 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: that was my thought when I heard the music on the site, I can imagine that making for a decent show though<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>yeah, it was a good show. Not great, not the smiths, but a good show. Definately in the upper 50% of shows I go to not the bottom 50%.

wingelbert humptyback

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 07:01 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: Well I dont have the album, but I have four tracks off it and they sounded better last night than they do recorded. I think Jaguar thought the same.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree it had a little more punch to it (hopefully most live shows will), but the album and the show both strike me as being pretty straight forward rock.I realized after I responded that you more likely than not knew that wasn't Ringo. Unfortunately the overwhelming lack of sleep I got last night is causing my brain to perform at a level even lower than my usual standards.

markie

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 07:07 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback: I agree it had a little more punch to it (hopefully most live shows will), but the album and the show both strike me as being pretty straight forward rock.I guess that may be somewhat disappointing. I mean the smiths did and still do sound unique. It might have been more impressive if he had done something more original. When people have such high expectations though it must be impossible to keep everyone happy.I realized after I responded that you more likely than not knew that wasn't Ringo. Unfortunately the overwhelming lack of sleep I got last night is causing my brain to perform at a level even lower than my usual standards.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>although the thought of Ringo drumming for a band that couldnt sell out the blackcat is a rather amusing one. you're 16 you're beautiful and your Miiiine.sorry I got carried away.

wingelbert humptyback

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 07:29 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: I guess that may be somewhat disappointing. I mean the smiths did and still do sound unique. It might have been more impressive if he had done something more original. When people have such high expectations though it must be impossible to keep everyone happy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree again. I always try to give an artist the benefit of the doubt when they are embarking on a solo career after being a member of such a renowned band. I definitely didn't expect to hear the next Smiths when I popped in "Boomslang," but even still I feel there's a certain lack of depth to his latest work that caught me by surprise. It just feels so shallow, both technically and emotionally. Even as strictly by the numbers pop (which I have absolutely nothing against), it lacks the kind of inspired hooks that would keep me coming back for more listening.

JaguÃ¤r

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 08:30 PM UTC #

The live show has perked up my ears for the album. Yes Markie, I do believe that the live show had more pizzazz. No pizza though.Set list (with hand noted chord cheat cheat for some tunes. In the parenthesis):Long Gone 11-1 / 11-2 Caught Up (D) 12-1 / 12-5 Here It Comes 23-1 / 23-3 Down On The Corner (4) 22-4 / 22-5 All Out Attack 22-1 / 22-3 You Are The Magic (D) 14-1 / 14-5 In Betweens (D) 24-1 / 24-3 Don't Think Twice Another Day (E) 21-1 / 21/3 Last Ride 13-1 / 13-3 Need It 26-1 / 26-2 ——————————– Something To Shout 11-4 / 11-5 Bangin On 15-1 / 15-5————————————Markie, the Dylan song is Don't Think Twice. It's an old classic.[This message has been edited by JaguÃ¤r (edited 01-21-2003).]

markie

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 08:55 PM UTC #

I liked the Dylan song, thanks Jag. I didnt realise thats what it was. It was the most touching and smiths like of the songs they played

wingelbert humptyback

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 09:31 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: I liked the Dylan song, thanks Jag. I didnt realise thats what it was. It was the most touching and smiths like of the songs they played<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> anyone else notice how much marr's cover of that song sounded like "please, please, please, let me get what i want?"i didn't pick up on it until my girlfriend pointed it out, but i have to say that there was something to it.

markie

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 09:52 PM UTC #

I ddnt think it sounded that similar to any particular song. Just the overall effect was reminscent.that rickenbacker sound helped a lot.

Fico

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 10:06 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: I ddnt think it sounded that similar to any particular song. Just the overall effect was reminscent.that rickenbacker sound helped a lot.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>13 songs all-together…seems like it was a short show..funny you would mention the Rickenbacker Markie… Johnny's been more of a Les Paul guy through his career.. not only most of his videos picture him playing a Les Paul, but I do remember a story about him giving Noel Gallagher one of his Les Paul's as a symbol of passing the Brit-Pop "torch" to him…the same thing Weller did when he gave him a White Rickenbacker he used on top of the pops…

Fico

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 10:10 PM UTC #

I take my statement back….from a guitar magazine interview Marr says this:'That said, a lot of the album was actually recorded with a '54 Telecaster belonging to John Porter. I used a Rickenbacker 360 12-string as well, and that was the guitar which subsequently got all the attention, but in fact it was mainly the Tele, and a bit of Les Paul.'

markie

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 10:13 PM UTC #

the rickenbacker he gave to Noel was by accident. Noel was taking too long to tune his guitar so Jonny lent him a gibson. Noel liked it so much that jony didnt have the heart to ask for it back.Jonny also bought the 12 sring rickenbacker that belonged to the byrds guitarist. Now that is a cool guitar.

Fico

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 10:22 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: the rickenbacker he gave to Noel was by accident. Noel was taking too long to tune his guitar so Jonny lent him a gibson. Noel liked it so much that jony didnt have the heart to ask for it back.Jonny also bought the 12 sring rickenbacker that belonged to the byrds guitarist. Now that is a cool guitar.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So for Markie and any other guitar buffs here's the lowdown:For recording Marr gravitates towards a few time-tested favourites. 'Over the last two years, I've been experimenting with everything I've got and I've come back to the same old guitars - not because of nostalgia, simply 'cos they're fantastic. 'My Gretsch 6120 is great, even people who own other ones say mine is the best they've ever played. I got it from Pete Townshend - and it's one that Noel isn't going to get. Another main recording guitar is my '59 Les Paul - just as you'd expect, an amazing guitar. I used that a lot on Strangeways… and The The's Dusk album. My other Les Paul is a mid-'80s one with a Bigsby retro-fitted; that's the one I used on How Soon Is Now?. Although Marr used a red Gibson ES335 throughout his time with The Smiths, his Gibson ES345 (left) is a more current favourite. 'I used it a lot on The The's Dusk, like the riff from Dogs Of Lust,' he notes. 'I've also been playing my black 355 a lot recently with Electronic' - the 355 can be seen in the videos for Forbidden City and For You. 'That's a really interesting guitar. It's got a very clean, almost David Crosby-type sound - hey, another really unfashionable influence! - and it doesn't fizz too much. I like using it for slide. Clean, but spooky - that's the vibe with that one.' These days Marr's Rickenbackers rarely see the light of day, but for the record he has two: a black '82 330 6-string (seen in the video for This Charming Man) and a mid-60s sunburst 360-12, his main Smiths recording Rickie, bought off Pete Townshend. Marr's main Strats are both '63s. 'One I keep constantly high strung in Nashville tuning, which is the top two strings the same and bottom four like a 12-string set with the low strings taken off,' he explains. 'It's a good tuning for coming up with new stuff 'cos you kind of feel like you're playing backwards. I used that on loads of Smiths stuff - You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby, Half A Person… 'I've got two main Martin acoustics, a D28 and a D45. The D28 was always disappointing for recording until I started to put it in different tunings. That's often the case with guitars - they often don't happen in concert tuning - so I'd always recommend changing things around to see if they sound better. 'Another guitar I really like is a Fender Bass VI baritone guitar, which is interesting, even though it's only really got one sound. I used that on Helpline Operator by The The.' By far the weirdest thing in Marr's collection, however, is his nine pickup Fender Strat. 'I got it really cheap,' he excuses himself, feebly. 'Not only are there nine pickups, but there's an on/off and in/out-of-phase switch for each pickup. I'm not making this up, 'cos Noel was witness to that dreadful event. Bizarre! But I just thought, if Kraftwerk played guitar, they'd play this! I used it on the rhythm outro of Electronic's Out Of My League (from Raise The Pressure). I figured it would give some really strange harmonics… and if you just replace the word 'strange' with 'shit', then I was right." For amps, Marr again relies on a few old favourites. 'In particular, there's my Fender Deluxe - very punchy and hot, but not too distorted. You can hear the natural sound of that really well on Feel Every Beat by Electronic. I also used a Fender Pro a lot - that was also on a lot of the early Smiths records, while my Blackface Twin was used from the Queen Is Dead onwards. you can hear the Pro really well on New Order's Regret - Bernard (Sumner) borrowed my Les Paul and Pro for that, so he owes me some money as well.

markie

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Re: Marr and the healers January 21, 2003 at 10:43 PM UTC #

thanks Fico,in addition: <A HREF="http://www.mlode.com/~813/marr.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.mlode.com/~813/marr.html</A>;

lily1

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Re: Marr and the healers January 22, 2003 at 12:33 AM UTC #

hey gang, lovely to see you all again and to formally meet kosmo and mankie (thanks for the ginger ale).bit of a side note here-their publicist ended up in the same cab as me, since she was just headed over to rouge where they were all staying (fyi, more and more artists stay there or at topaz, except for the major stars that prefer the 4 seasons and the mayflower, should you feel the need to follow your favorite rockstar). she was very kind and chatty

and apologized several times over for johnny marr and the other band mates not coming out after the show. she mentioned that the tour manager was adament once they were off stage that they head home to bed.

apparently its been an exhausting few days and they had an early tran to ny this morning. they generally do come out for a short bit to meet the fans and sign, take pictures, etc, but not tonight. she's is based in la but is out with them for the tour. the band was very pleased with the turnout and the crowd, esp the crowd, and that there is some serious consideration to touring again in the not so distant future at perhaps a larger venue, preferably the 930. but regardless, they are coming back to dc.

yippee.i'm glad i shoved the work monster in the closet and went to the show. it was great.

kosmo

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Re: Marr and the healers January 22, 2003 at 05:37 PM UTC #

as good as marr and his healers were, i doubt i will being seeing them again anytime soon, unless they are playing with another band i want to see.mellowdrome is deffo a artist worth watching out for. he's from boston living in la these days. i hear bits and pieces of plenty of other artists in his sound…. i.e. elliot smith, matt johnson. he cites jeff buckley, manic street preachers, radiohead as influences.he records with shareware software, but it certainly doesn't sound amatuer. the dvd he was selling was amusing but nothing to get overly excited for. good thing it was included in the package deal.i would even recommend mellowdrome to those who like industrial music… it can get pretty intense towards the end of the disc.