Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore

all i'm saying is live nation is trying to fill a void in the market.. the best way for IMP to face this is to build his own midsize venue (not to rent dar).. in my opinion in DC…maybe petworth or atlas district..

as far as market power: there is no doubt that IMP has more market power in DC than Live Nation…

Amen. Stop whining about venues and start worrying about your retirement funds!

Originally posted by very sonick:
all of you, quit your capitalistic whining!!!

Originally posted by hutch:

as far as market power: there is no doubt that IMP has more market power in DC than Live Nation…

But Live Nation can use its NATIONAL market power to say, "if you don't book in our DC venue, than we won't book you in our Cleveland venue which – oops – heppens to be the only venue there!"

Originally posted by Bags:

Originally posted by hutch:

as far as market power: there is no doubt that IMP has more market power in DC than Live Nation…

But Live Nation can use its NATIONAL market power to say, "if you don't book in our DC venue, than we won't book you in our Cleveland venue which – oops – heppens to be the only venue there!"

And they've been doing this in other cities for years now.

Better than an email…

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Not all of us are as close to retirement as you are.

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Amen. Stop whining about venues and start worrying about your retirement funds!

Originally posted by very sonick:
all of you, quit your capitalistic whining!!!

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:

Originally posted by Shadrach:
Monopoly? I don't think so.

Right. Because if a band is playing a tour and draws around 1500-2000 people a night, they have so many options in DC. For example they could play the 9:30 Club or 4 nights at Rock N Roll Hotel. What was I thinking? I retract all my comments.

You make absolutely no point here other than there is a lack of a mid-sized venues to support these types of shows you mention. And that is somehow 9:30's fault???? WTF? Must be IMP black ops going around and sabotaging all the venues that spring up around the area… oh wait, there hasn't been anyone eager to build and open a place like this until recently. Give me a break. You have no clue what the hell you're talking about. I'm all in favor of competition and another local venue, but at what cost? Georgia Ave. through Montgomery Co. is lined with potholes, how about they fix that for starters?

What the hey became of using Lisner as a medium-sized rock music venue? Seems to be just "world music" there for years now

Originally posted by Shadrach:
You make absolutely no point here other than there is a lack of a mid-sized venues to support these types of shows you mention. And that is somehow 9:30's fault???? WTF? Must be IMP black ops going around and sabotaging all the venues that spring up around the area… oh wait, there hasn't been anyone eager to build and open a place like this until recently. Give me a break. You have no clue what the hell you're talking about. I'm all in favor of competition and another local venue, but at what cost? Georgia Ave. through Montgomery Co. is lined with potholes, how about they fix that for starters?

No one said it's anyone's fault. But the fact remains, at current, your company is the exclusive provider of services for bands of that size in the metro DC area. You're also the people who stand to lose the most if you actually have competition for once. You and Seth can praddle on about taxes all day long, but its so incredibly duplicitous to pass off your concerns as "taxes"
when in fact it's "IMP's bottom line."

What's most appalling is people eat this crap up. People like Sweetcell who live nowhere near Montgomery County – and therefore have no reason to be concerned about how MoCo spends their revenue – are writing emails in deference to the project at the prodding of you folks. What a bunch of fans boys. Even if you have a point about the public financing, how ridiculous it is coming from IMP employees. It's like believing Barack Obama really thinks John McCain is the wrong choice for America, as opposed to his real motivation for saying things about McCain being that Obama wants to President himself (or vice versa, same applies to McCain's comments about Obama).

What's most hypocritical about this rant is the "I'm all for competition, but…" Yeah, you're all for competition as long as there isn't actually any competition. IMP having the only 930 Club-size/mid-size venue in the area isn't competiton; 9:30 Club and SS Fillmore both existing is competition. That's good for consumers. That's good for the area. It's not good for Seth as evidenced by his scaremongering about how prices will magically jump through the roof. It's not good for 9:30 Club fanboys who hate LiveNation and have judged the venue quality before a blueprint has even been drawn up. But for the rest of us, in the real world, competition and having choices are a good thing.

Originally posted by edbert:
What the hey became of using Lisner as a medium-sized rock music venue? Seems to be just "world music" there for years now

magnetic fields show will be there.
flight of the conchords .. which i guess you could count as "world music"

its slowly adding more acts though.

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:

What's most hypocritical about this rant is the "I'm all for competition, but…" Yeah, you're all for competition as long as there isn't actually any competition. IMP having the only 930 Club-size/mid-size venue in the area isn't competiton; 9:30 Club and SS Fillmore both existing is competition. That's good for consumers. That's good for the area. It's not good for Seth as evidenced by his scaremongering about how prices will magically jump through the roof. It's not good for 9:30 Club fanboys who hate LiveNation and have judged the venue quality before a blueprint has even been drawn up. But for the rest of us, in the real world, competition and having choices are a good thing.

I don't understand your point. Should Live Nation build an Arena in Silver Spring to compete with the Verizon Center in the name of competition and what's best for Montgomery County? Do we know the area can support it? Why does the area need a new venue UNLESS its a 3K - 5K venue. What specific value would a 1000K venue in Silver Spring add? I can't think of ANYTHING. And what benefit to the people of Montogery County is awarding the venue to a non-local megacorporation? through a crooked process?

I think locally owned venues is a HUGE benefit to DC

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:

Originally posted by Shadrach:
You make absolutely no point here other than there is a lack of a mid-sized venues to support these types of shows you mention. And that is somehow 9:30's fault???? WTF? Must be IMP black ops going around and sabotaging all the venues that spring up around the area… oh wait, there hasn't been anyone eager to build and open a place like this until recently. Give me a break. You have no clue what the hell you're talking about. I'm all in favor of competition and another local venue, but at what cost? Georgia Ave. through Montgomery Co. is lined with potholes, how about they fix that for starters?

No one said it's anyone's fault. But the fact remains, at current, your company is the exclusive provider of services for bands of that size in the metro DC area. You're also the people who stand to lose the most if you actually have competition for once. You and Seth can praddle on about taxes all day long, but its so incredibly duplicitous to pass off your concerns as "taxes"
when in fact it's "IMP's bottom line."

What's most appalling is people eat this crap up. People like Sweetcell who live nowhere near Montgomery County – and therefore have no reason to be concerned about how MoCo spends their revenue – are writing emails in deference to the project at the prodding of you folks. What a bunch of fans boys. Even if you have a point about the public financing, how ridiculous it is coming from IMP employees. It's like believing Barack Obama really thinks John McCain is the wrong choice for America, as opposed to his real motivation for saying things about McCain being that Obama wants to President himself (or vice versa, same applies to McCain's comments about Obama).

What's most hypocritical about this rant is the "I'm all for competition, but…" Yeah, you're all for competition as long as there isn't actually any competition. IMP having the only 930 Club-size/mid-size venue in the area isn't competiton; 9:30 Club and SS Fillmore both existing is competition. That's good for consumers. That's good for the area. It's not good for Seth as evidenced by his scaremongering about how prices will magically jump through the roof. It's not good for 9:30 Club fanboys who hate LiveNation and have judged the venue quality before a blueprint has even been drawn up. But for the rest of us, in the real world, competition and having choices are a good thing.

So then by your logic my opinion as a registered voter in Montgomery Co. is tainted by my affiliation with the club. In other words you know me well enough to judge that I am clearly not a person capable of separating the two things in order to look at the situation with unbiased eyes.

The simple fact is that this is a bad deal for Maryland and Mont. Co. I could give a damn about how this helps the concert goers who live in the District or Northern Virginia, they aren't the ones footing the bill.

whats the capacity of state theatre. isnt it like 1000 vs 1200 for 930?

As a Montgomery County taxpayer who is not affiliated with the club I agree that my tax dollars should not be used to subsidize construction of a live music venue for Live Nation. Nor am I happy with the way the deal was made.

Don't get me wrong - I love the idea of having another venue within the county's borders. But not like this.

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
whats the capacity of state theatre. isnt it like 1000 vs 1200 for 930?

900 standing, 600 seated, I think.

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:
What's most appalling is people eat this crap up. People like Sweetcell who live nowhere near Montgomery County – and therefore have no reason to be concerned about how MoCo spends their revenue – are writing emails in deference to the project at the prodding of you folks. What a bunch of fans boys.

julian, it's refreshing to know you don't hold yourself up to the same standards you expect of others:

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:
Thanks. As a fan of competition, I will absolutely email them in support of the end of the de facto IMP monopoly in the metro DC area.

since when is Richmond part of MoCo? !? i spend the week in DC and regularly attend shows around the region, so i do have an opinion to share. and FYI, i clearly identified myself in my e-mail as not being a taxpayer of MoCo.

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:
Even if you have a point about the public financing, how ridiculous it is coming from IMP employees.

yes, anyone who has a vested interest and whose opinion doesn't match yours is automatically disqualified from sharing it. how democratic of you.

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:
What's most hypocritical about this rant is the "I'm all for competition, but…" Yeah, you're all for competition as long as there isn't actually any competition.

what's most hypocritical is fanboys like yourself who claim to love competition - as long as it doesn't involve the bidding process. competition through subsidization… you really a GOP good-old-boy in the making, aren't you?

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:
It's not good for Seth as evidenced by his scaremongering about how prices will magically jump through the roof. It's not good for 9:30 Club fanboys who hate LiveNation and have judged the venue quality before a blueprint has even been drawn up. But for the rest of us, in the real world, competition and having choices are a good thing.

and by "real world", you of course mean Julian's America :p

so what youre saying is that if seth wore $500 shoes and watched the hill that julian would be with him?

i agree with julian..

now that live nation wants to build the fillmore suddenly IMP has a problem? why haven't THEY built a mid size venue.. i've written emails to dc city council members and they want a mid size venue.. BUILD THE FUCXXING VENUE .. instead we get shows at DAR which is not a concert venue..

there would be some credibility to IMPs position if they had tried to build the mid size venue before live nation did but they did not.. now that they see they might have a competitor they dont like it

we all know the 930 club is too small for too many bands.. dc needs a bigger venue for a lot of these bands.. why is IMP not building it and instead trying to torpedo someone else trying to build it?

for me the silver spring fillmore is not what i want.. i want it in DC! build it! the market is there.. you can have wilco play 3 nights at the 930 or 1 night at the new venue (or you can rent dar and we can all get screwed..that is not a music venue)…you do the math

and last time i checked 930 concert prices and merrieweather aren't chopped liver..

in fact they are by far on the high end..so we do need competition.

There was an article in the Washington Post on Monday about this. You can read it here.

Frankly, I think the entire deal is BS. If you are annoyed by this type of corporate welfare, you should sent the county council an e-mail:
county.council@montgomerycountymd.gov