VP debate tonight

No, but he can see New Zealand from Australia. It's right over there.

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
id argue that the electoral college is a system to elect executives, and the role of president of the senate is the chief executive of the senate. plus the rules for electing the vp are in article 2, not to mention again that article 2 does give the legislature powers as well.

but yeah, the article 1 part of bidens comments are wrong. i think he might have said the argument for the vp being part of legislature and then tried to refute it, but if so did not do a very good job

and that's a modern way of looking at it. . .the original intent and the historical role of the vp has been legislative in nature, with very little to do otherwise.

i'm sure you would expect this, but i'd read the role of the senate in article 2 as limiting the power of the president, not expanding the role of the legislature, since that, again, could intrude on the separation of powers. plus, in order to convince wavering colonies that the constitution wasn't setting up a would-be king, there is by necessity several limiting powers clauses in article 2.

as for the election text, you're right, it details the election of the president and the vp. but again, the vp is relegated to less-than-top billing and is there because the framers didn't want the vp to already be in the senate- in other words, the senate couldn't just declare one of their own to be vp and keep their senate seat at the same time; rather, some means needed to be devised to elect a president of the senate, and it was given to the vp. . .so, yes, while the electoral college governs the election of the president and vp, article 1 states the role and duties of the vp as president of the senate, whereas article 2 focuses almost solely on the duties of the president.

i think we're going to have to agree to disagree on which branch the vp is part of, but agree it cant be both

i see nothing in the constitution about being the official funeral attendant. we all know thats been the traditional function of the vp in modern times

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i think we're going to have to agree to disagree on which branch the vp is part of, but agree it cant be both

fair enough.

The last three posts to this blog are hysterical. Especially the Sarah Palin is a bitch post…

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/2008/10/07/maverick-my-ass/#comments

<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3131/2888079046_7d20a773ca_o.jpg" alt=" - " />

Hasn't this youth movement been done before??

<img src="http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/fascismblog/2005/11/24/hitler_youth.jpg" alt=" - " />

Like Obama, this bloke didn't like jews either evidently…

uh ok

Yes, Ever Circling Skeletal Family, Obama is black and therefore must not like Jews. :roll:

i have a funny feeling it is ever circling who hates (fill in the blank).

Originally posted by chaz:

Originally posted by manimtired:
more creepiness for obama.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=188153

Maybe Obama could inspire a few of those kids to put down the twinkies and hop on a treadmill…

Wow - It's funny how all the most annoying people on the board support a Palin presidency. Scary.

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
Yes, Ever Circling Skeletal Family, Obama is black and therefore must not like Jews. :roll:

I knew one of you would take the bait….chumps!

This is just too easy these days.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/barack_obama_and_israel.html

american thinker? cmon

Shoeshine - you should know me well enough by now to realize that the ONLY time I post serious comments are on the footie thread….the others are just to get a bite from some yo-yo board'ie, and it works every single time.

Originally posted by RustyOrgan:

Originally posted by chaz:

Originally posted by manimtired:
more creepiness for obama.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=188153

Maybe Obama could inspire a few of those kids to put down the twinkies and hop on a treadmill…

Wow - It's funny how all the most annoying people on the board support a Palin presidency. Scary.

No surprise, I guess, that their annoyingness is not confined to the board. :D

Originally posted by Ever Circling Skeletal Family:
Shoeshine - you should know me well enough by now to realize that the ONLY time I post serious comments are on the footie thread….the others are just to get a bite from some yo-yo board'ie, and it works every single time.

oh i know…but it doesnt quite ring when your source make fox news look reputable. thanks for reminding me about something…

Originally posted by Ever Circling Skeletal Family:
Shoeshine - you should know me well enough by now to realize that the ONLY time I post serious comments are on the footie thread….the others are just to get a bite from some yo-yo board'ie, and it works every single time.

So in other words, you are trolling, and thus not worth responding to? Good to know…

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:

Originally posted by Ever Circling Skeletal Family:
Shoeshine - you should know me well enough by now to realize that the ONLY time I post serious comments are on the footie thread….the others are just to get a bite from some yo-yo board'ie, and it works every single time.

So in other words, you are trolling, and thus not worth responding to? Good to know…

Yeah!!! Someone finally gets it, but many can't help themselves.

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:

Originally posted by callat703:
Her poll numbers in Alaska are already sinking like a stone. She was at 80+ when McCain chose her, and now she's sitting in the 60s. The more people learn about her, the less they like her.

I'm no Sarah Palin fan by a longshot, but to think that a Republican governor with an approval rating in the mid-60's in a state that's reliably red and has brought the only notable (non-scandal) national attention ever by a politician in her state is in serious jeopardy of losing in a re-election bid is asinine. Some of you people would lick your own ass if Obama told you it was candy, I swear.

Hey, anybody remember this comment?

Well:

Palin hit 80% approval in Alaska on the strength of a tripling in the price of oil. She raised taxes on the oil companies and paid the cash to the population. And who doesn't like free money?

Now the price of oil has tumbled below $65 - and the government of Alaska faces some painful decisions ahead. Palin's tax policy, which extracted extra benefits for the population as the price of oil rose, implies extra cutbacks as the price declines. Better to get out while the getting is good. Whoever governs Alaska in 2008-2010 will be luck to have an approval rating in the 40s.



Just sayin…

Julian, wrote:

Originally posted by callat703:
Her poll numbers in Alaska are already sinking like a stone. &nbsp;She was at 80+ when McCain chose her, and now she&#039;s sitting in the 60s. &nbsp;The more people learn about her, the less they like her.

I&#039;m no Sarah Palin fan by a longshot, but to think that a Republican governor with an approval rating in the mid-60&#039;s in a state that&#039;s reliably red and has brought the only notable (non-scandal) national attention ever by a politician in her state is in serious jeopardy of losing in a re-election bid is asinine. Some of you people would lick your own ass if Obama told you it was candy, I swear.

….just can't resist a jab at Julian about this one anymore.

http://www.themudflats.net/2009/07/30/palins-approval-rating-in-alaska-goes-negative/

The latest Palin poll numbers are out.  Oh, it looks like those halcyon days of the 89% approval ratings are a thing of the past.  Now we can say that more Alaskans disapprove of the ex-almost-one-term-governor than approve of her.

And the Approval Index (Very Positive minus Very Negative) is now  -1.2

Question 1

Would you say you feel positive or negative about Sarah Palin? And is that very (positive or negative) or somewhat (positive or negative)?

Very positive 120/400 30.0%
Somewhat positive 67/400 16.8%
Total positive (very+somewhat) 187/400 46.8%
Somewhat negative 65/400 16.2%
Very negative 125/400 31.2%
Total negative (very+somewhat) 190/400 47.5%
Don?t Know the person 5/400 1.2%
No Opinion  18/400  4.5%
Refused 0/400 0%