Originally posted by the scientist:I think it's just a cycle and Hip-Pop is the current flavor. Disposable catchy songs, stylish clothing, the lingo, and a few interesting personalities. A lot of the stuff that MTV plays is flamboyant and over-the-top, much like what Rock music USED to be. There just hasn't been an interesting rock band to make a huge memorable impression on the public over the past couple of years.
Originally posted by Joy Monster:Is that what you would call a vicious circle?
Maybe if the Rock music market starts to sell as much product as the R&B/ Hip-Hop market, then you'll see more "white music" on that channel.
Or is it because hip-hop is still relatively young and vibrant compared to dinosaur rock?
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Originally posted by vansmack:If anyone believes that "Street Cred" has nothing to do with sales, then I have a bridge to sell them.
Originally posted by Joy Monster:"An athletes 'Street Credibility' has nothing to do with sales."
Out of curiosity, what would be the politically correct thing to say?
That's what people want to believe and that's the outside voice of marketers. You can put just about anything in between the single quotes that is controversial and get the same response: race, beliefs, relgious persuasion, It doesn't matter. But we live in a country where these terms create issues, and it's not politically correct to state that these things matter.
I'm not to sure that it can be a realistic idea in this day and age to say that it doesn't matter when it clearly does.
But what kind of "Street Credibility" are you referring to? I mean, Michael Jackson, Mike Tyson, and to a point R. Kelly had some street credibility and more importantly, garnered some kind of respect until they were accused of variuos situations containing possible sexual assaults.
Originally posted by Joy Monster:Mike Tyson is the best example. He pulls more money for pay per view fights than the current heavyweight champion, Lennox Lewis, who pummelled Tysons ass in their last fight.
If anyone believes that "Street Cred" has nothing to do with sales, then I have a bridge to sell them.
I'm not to sure that it can be a realistic idea in this day and age to say that it doesn't matter when it clearly does.
But what kind of "Street Credibility" are you referring to? I mean, Michael Jackson, Mike Tyson, and to a point R. Kelly had some street credibility and more importantly, garnered some kind of respect until they were accused of variuos situations containing possible sexual assaults.
Why does Tyson draw so much? Because you never know what he's going to do, but you can bet he's going to do something totally off thw wall and appalling. And like biting someones ear off in the ring, it could be illegal.
Look at Alan Iverson as well. Reebok offered him a lifetime contract after he was arrested for the fracas outside the bar involving the gun. Neither him nor LeBron James are as "polished" as Kobe so inner-city kids can relate better (to use the words right out of marketing companies mouths). They use the word "polished" to describe the difference between KG and T-Mac who haven't been arrested, but didn't have the posh upbringing as Kobe. Apparently, the kids can't relate.
Originally posted by vansmack:Tyson was a boxing icon at his height so that's where the interest for him comes from. At one point, he was thought to be unbeatable. Now, he's thought of as a side-show freak who constantly does something stupid. Reading and watching what Tyson does is interesting… almost in a way as watching someone who has Tourettes Syndrome.
Originally posted by Joy Monster:Mike Tyson is the best example. He pulls more money for pay per view fights than the current heavyweight champion, Lennox Lewis, who pummelled Tysons ass in their last fight.
If anyone believes that "Street Cred" has nothing to do with sales, then I have a bridge to sell them.
I'm not to sure that it can be a realistic idea in this day and age to say that it doesn't matter when it clearly does.
But what kind of "Street Credibility" are you referring to? I mean, Michael Jackson, Mike Tyson, and to a point R. Kelly had some street credibility and more importantly, garnered some kind of respect until they were accused of variuos situations containing possible sexual assaults.
Why does Tyson draw so much? Because you never know what he's going to do, but you can bet he's going to do something totally off thw wall and appalling. And like biting someones ear off in the ring, it could be illegal.
Look at Alan Iverson as well. Reebok offered him a lifetime contract after he was arrested for the fracas outside the bar involving the gun. Neither him nor LeBron James are as "polished" as Kobe so inner-city kids can relate better (to use the words right out of marketing companies mouths). They use the word "polished" to describe the difference between KG and T-Mac who haven't been arrested, but didn't have the posh upbringing as Kobe. Apparently, the kids can't relate.
I think Iverson signed that extention shortly before that gun incident and before Reebok's financial troubles.
Iverson has street cred because he was raised in the projects, had a criminal history of jail time before he was 19, and was pushing drugs and selling firearms before he hit college. To a some of urban youth, he's has more 'street cred' than Bryant. But at least their images weren't manufactured by any major corporations. Whether some like it or not, black urban youths are the current trend setters for stuff like music and fashion. More white kids buy those shoes than blacks kids.
For the record, Kobe's shoes from Adidas are shit! They're ugly and have about as much tight performance as a pair of roller skates.