The Fall

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I don't know, I think transpiration of time also has something to do with it for me personally. The Pixies are a little too recent, though they're getting close. Uncle Tupelo is far too recent.

So Uncle Tupelo will be getting close in a couple of years.

Albums-

Pixies - First=1987 Last=1991

Uncle Tupelo - First=1990 Last=1993

Originally posted by slappy:
I read page 23 of 'Grapes of Wrath' and it was just average.

That was my least favorite page too. I thought that damn turtle was going to make it.

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by slappy:
I read page 23 of 'Grapes of Wrath' and it was just average.

That was my least favorite page too. I thought that damn turtle was going to make it.

So, would that be "The Grape Of Wrath"?

Originally posted by thirsty moore:
I'm legendary in some of the wilder parts of Aspen Hill – that's Maryland for all that don't know.

So YOU'RE the third sniper? We have our theories in Aspen Hill that there was a third one involved who drove around in a white van to put Moosey off the trail.

Right, that's it…I'm going back to read the bitch fight between Rhett and Bob.

Who are Uncle tupelo?

I have never heard one of their songs hopefully I never will. Clearly she is not a legend to me.

Legend is such a subjective term….

I guess there are class A legends like Hendrix or the guy from the doors with the large willy

Its pretty hard to argue about class A legends.

then there are class B legends pretty popular and newsworthy, but no large willy. Perhaps the Smiths or the Pixies.

then there are class C legends,

cult bands who did something great,

say television or the fall.

than there are class D legends. Bands or artistes who only the mentally deranged would describe as legends, perhaps uncle tupelo and oasis.

Originally posted by mankie:
So YOU'RE the third sniper? We have our theories in Aspen Hill that there was a third one involved who drove around in a white van to put Moosey off the trail.

thirsty is much more likely to be driven in a white van than drive a white van.

The Fall were played rather regularly on my college radio station back in the late 80's. Thus I've heard way more than one song. Given that they seem to get little left of the dial radio attention these days, I would have to surmise that they won't be going down as legends.

Yes, Hatchett and Oasis were derivative. I'm not sure what your point is at this juncture. I picked several that were derivative, several that were not. Derivation was never my point in the first place.

Originally posted by slappy:

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Actually, I own a copy of he 12" for the Fall's "Telephone Thing" which came out in 1990, so I actually have listened to the band. And I never said they were derivative of the Clash. George Strait is certainly not derivative of Hank Williams, not are the Housemartins derivative of the Smiths, not my implication at all.

Nice response. Too bad you left out the part about The Beatles-Legends Oasis-Not Legends
Lynyrd Skynyrd-Legends Molly Hatchett-Not Legends
That was convienently right after the Clash-Fall comparison.
So yer saying Oasis and Molly Hatchett aren't derivative?

It must be cool to be able to judge bands that have released over 3000 songs by owning one 12" single.

I think John Steinbeck sucks. I read page 23 of 'Grapes of Wrath' and it was just average.

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

Originally posted by Sir HC:

Oh, and as far as I could tell when I went to the RNR Hall of Fame David Crosby is the most inducted person (3 times for the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, CSN/Y).

isn't clapton in there like 5 times?

Don't think so but am not sure. They had a montage of all the years inductees and I remember him in twice (Cream and solo I believe). I guess he could be there for the Yardbirds, John Mayall, and that 70's band after Cream whose name escapes me.

Originally posted by the scientist:
Who are Uncle tupelo?

A Van Morrison cover band.

Originally posted by ggw:

A Van Morrison cover band. [/QB]

do you remeber when they used to sing sha la la la la la la la la la lerrrr lar le la?

Originally posted by Sir HC:

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

Originally posted by Sir HC:

Oh, and as far as I could tell when I went to the RNR Hall of Fame David Crosby is the most inducted person (3 times for the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, CSN/Y).

isn't clapton in there like 5 times?

Don't think so but am not sure. They had a montage of all the years inductees and I remember him in twice (Cream and solo I believe). I guess he could be there for the Yardbirds, John Mayall, and that 70's band after Cream whose name escapes me.

Blind Faith.

Clapton is in 3 times - Yardbirds, Cream and solo:

http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=79

there is a lie in the rock and roll hall of fame website

"Mayall asked the budding star to join his group, the Bluesbreakers. He appeared on the remarkable 1966 recording Bluesbreakers–John Mayall With Eric Clapton. During his yearlong tenure with Mayall, Clapton earned the nickname "Slowhand" and inspired the scrawling of "Clapton Is God" graffiti around London. Next he joined fellow Mayall alumni Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker"

I have the first pressing of the first yardbirds album from 1964. There is a picture of Eric on the back titled Eric "slowhand" Clapton.

I am pretty sad, huh?

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The Fall were played rather regularly on my college radio station back in the late 80's. Thus I've heard way more than one song. Given that they seem to get little left of the dial radio attention these days, I would have to surmise that they won't be going down as legends.

Yes, Hatchett and Oasis were derivative. I'm not sure what your point is at this juncture. I picked several that were derivative, several that were not. Derivation was never my point in the first place.

Well with this logic you clearly contradict yourself.

George Strait is a legend and Hank Williams is not. George clearly gets more 'left of the radio dial attention these days'.

I have no point. I merely made the statement about your unintelligent initial post about the Fall. You've done a great job of proving it is true! :p

Originally posted by ggw:

Originally posted by Sir HC:

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

Originally posted by Sir HC:

Oh, and as far as I could tell when I went to the RNR Hall of Fame David Crosby is the most inducted person (3 times for the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, CSN/Y).

isn't clapton in there like 5 times?

Don't think so but am not sure. They had a montage of all the years inductees and I remember him in twice (Cream and solo I believe). I guess he could be there for the Yardbirds, John Mayall, and that 70's band after Cream whose name escapes me.

Blind Faith.

Clapton is in 3 times - Yardbirds, Cream and solo:

http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=79

Okay, I must have missed the Yardbirds induction on the montage. So what do they do with such bands as the Yardbirds (Clapton, Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page were all the guitarist at one stage or another), induct all the members from different incarnations. God forbid that Guided By Voices get inducted then.

What left of the dial radio stations play George Strait? The only radio stations you'll hear him on are mainstream country stations, as far as I know.

Originally posted by slappy:

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The Fall were played rather regularly on my college radio station back in the late 80's. Thus I've heard way more than one song. Given that they seem to get little left of the dial radio attention these days, I would have to surmise that they won't be going down as legends.

Yes, Hatchett and Oasis were derivative. I'm not sure what your point is at this juncture. I picked several that were derivative, several that were not. Derivation was never my point in the first place.

Well with this logic you clearly contradict yourself.

George Strait is a legend and Hank Williams is not. George clearly gets more 'left of the radio dial attention these days'.

I have no point. I merely made the statement about your unintelligent initial post about the Fall. You've done a great job of proving it is true! :p

Originally posted by Sir HC:

Originally posted by ggw:

Originally posted by Sir HC:

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

Originally posted by Sir HC:

Oh, and as far as I could tell when I went to the RNR Hall of Fame David Crosby is the most inducted person (3 times for the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, CSN/Y).

isn't clapton in there like 5 times?

Don't think so but am not sure. They had a montage of all the years inductees and I remember him in twice (Cream and solo I believe). I guess he could be there for the Yardbirds, John Mayall, and that 70's band after Cream whose name escapes me.

Blind Faith.

Clapton is in 3 times - Yardbirds, Cream and solo:

http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=79

Okay, I must have missed the Yardbirds induction on the montage. So what do they do with such bands as the Yardbirds (Clapton, Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page were all the guitarist at one stage or another), induct all the members from different incarnations. God forbid that Guided By Voices get inducted then.

There is some discretion on who is inducted. I recall something about the guy who played bass for AC/DC on High Voltage and Let There Be Rock being snubbed by the Young brothers and excluded from induction.

Originally posted by the scientist:


than there are class D legends. Bands or artistes who only the mentally deranged would describe as legends, perhaps uncle tupelo and oasis.

And Nirvana.

Then there's the class E legends that would come under the heading, "personal legengs". For example, shows you saw that you will never forget, even though the artist probably didn't make much of a dent on the music world.

For me that would be Ian Dury and the Blockheads, Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel and Shane, God bless him, MacGowan to name just a few.

Shane MacGowan is a legend but what class would you put him in…He's defiately an E for me but I think he also deserves to be in a different class as well.

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
What left of the dial radio stations play George Strait? The only radio stations you'll hear him on are mainstream country stations, as far as I know.

Exactly meathead!
George gets more play left AND right of the dial.
Hank gets very little to none.
Therefore following your own logic. George is a legend and Hank isn't. You did make this reference to the Fall!

Since Clear Channel owns something like 70% of the radio dial. I guess they now are the purveyors of 'legendary' standards.

Are you not familiar with the term "left of the dial"? Listen to the Replacements song.

Left of the dial refers to public and college radio stations to the far left of your radio dial, to the left of 92. Clear Channel does not own any of these stations. You will be able to hear quite a bit of Hank, and little George. But in his defense, George Strait is quite a bit more palatable than Garth.

Originally posted by slappy:

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
What left of the dial radio stations play George Strait? The only radio stations you'll hear him on are mainstream country stations, as far as I know.

Exactly meathead!
George gets more play left AND right of the dial.
Hank gets very little to none.
Therefore following your own logic. George is a legend and Hank isn't. You did make this reference to the Fall!

Since Clear Channel owns something like 70% of the radio dial. I guess they now are the purveyors of 'legendary' standards.

Are you not familiar with the term "left of the dial"? Listen to the Replacements song.

Left of the dial refers to public and college radio stations to the far left of your radio dial, to the left of 92. Clear Channel does not own any of these stations. You will be able to hear quite a bit of Hank, and little George. But in his defense, George Strait is quite a bit more palatable than Garth.

The Clear Channel references go right over my head since I don't listen to any commercial radio stations.

Originally posted by slappy:

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
What left of the dial radio stations play George Strait? The only radio stations you'll hear him on are mainstream country stations, as far as I know.

Exactly meathead!
George gets more play left AND right of the dial.
Hank gets very little to none.
Therefore following your own logic. George is a legend and Hank isn't. You did make this reference to the Fall!

Since Clear Channel owns something like 70% of the radio dial. I guess they now are the purveyors of 'legendary' standards.