So, How Ya Feelin' About the Mormons, Then?

Well as long as he doesn't start advocating violence against them, he's still less crappy than some of the people he's hating on.

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
You mean when they don't afftect the enlightened Dr. Doom worldview?

yeah, it's soooo self-righteous to call bullshit on xenophobic crap like this:

"I don't care if you think I'm racist or not, but I want nothing to do with islam, muslim or whatever you want to call it. That is one fucked up way of life and full of nothing but hatred for anyone who doesn't follow their beliefs….end of story!"

Mid-East immigrant Muslims seem much better behaved here than their Afrikan American (our native born Moslem converts) brethren. Mid-east immigrants usually provide good service at the 7-11s & Dunkin' Donuts. Afrikan American moslems are the chip-on-shoulder types who march in million man rallies calling for and end to whitey.

It was free pizza day at work on Friday. They asked the employees what kind they wanted. The Afrikan American Moslem girl said, "No Pork." So everyone else got stuck with cheese only pizza. She should have said she didn't want any pizza. I felt like shoving a pepperoini slice down her gob so she could fry in Moslem hell. Just for that I'm gonna visit all Moslem gravesites in my neighborhood and shove a piece of raw bacon in the dirt above their heathen corpses just for making me deal with their daily crap. I think I'm going to carry a jar of Bacos with me wherever I go from now on.

Fucking Muslims!

And why are Afrikan Americans jumping so wholeheartedly onto the fundamentalist Islam bandwagon? Haven't they already marginalized themselves enough with their high crime gangsta-rap culture? Why don't they send some donations to the Moslem Sudanese government, just like Mullah Louis Farakhan, so that they can further enslave the black Christian population in the south? Afrikan American Muslims are all pro-black Afrikan slavery. Way to go Afrikan American Muslims! That's using the thinking cap. It's no wonder the police are keeping such a close eye on them. When the big terror turd hits the fan again, a'la 9/11, I wonder who will be the first to get the ole heave-ho?

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
and immediately take a broad-brush approach to its culture..?

Spoken by a true master of the power painter. You watch, when a US city evaporates in a nuclear flash…do you think Hoya & Doom will be hiding those wonderful Afrikan Amerikan Moslems from the authorities in their own apartments? Do you think they will give sanctuary to MS-13 illegal immigrants when martial law is declared? Ha!

They are fair-weather advocates.

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its pretty typical of racists to not see themselves as such. "Some of my best friends are black," yada yada. But anyone who thinks they can categorize and condemn a billion people they've never met is a bigot – nothing tired-old-PC about that. It's what you are.

Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
I used to think I was a liberal, but obviously liberal evidently means to have absolutely no opinion on anything ever.

who the fuck said you couldn't have an opinion about something? liberals are some of the most opinionated people i know.

but this isn't a liberal or conservative thing, writing something like this:

"I don't care if you think I'm racist or not, but I want nothing to do with islam, muslim or whatever you want to call it. That is one fucked up way of life and full of nothing but hatred for anyone who doesn't follow their beliefs….end of story!"

is just stupid, bigoted, prejudiced, whatever the hell you want to call it

and it's not a "politically correct" issue either … you can dress up the language of what you said anyway you like, but at the heart of it is your simply retarded (how's that for PC?) "opinion"

Hmmmmm, those who don't think like me are retarded….now there's a narrow minded attitude.

Muhammad got in my car, grinning from ear to ear, one of the nicest kids we know. Then there is Abbas, the son of an Iranian Shah who gave me an exquisite tapestry case just because he's generous. I smile whenever I think of Sharif and how we would almost fall over laughing as we bantered back and forth. I remember parties at Omar's in Ashland and I'm always happy to see my Muslim neighbors.

I have liked every Muslim I have ever met.

America is embracing a religion that is said to promote peace as many moderate Muslims happily practice it. But as Yale professor and military historian Mary Habeck points out, this "peace" is only the first phase of Islam. The "method of Muhammad" largely known by Middle East Islamists is to spread Islam peacefully at first but always including covert groups of "true followers" who will use violence against those who will not accept it. This method is verified in Islam's holy book, the Sira, and the pattern has been repeated throughout history.

When scholars point at the Koran and the terrorist verses recited over acts of violence and beheadings, Muslims claim those verses are out of context. But they are only out of context to Islam's first phase. "Peace" is not the last phase of Islam. Muhammad, reverenced as Jesus Christ is to Christians, is the role model. Muslims believe if they want to experience his success, they must follow his footsteps exactly, and Muhammad slaughtered 600 to 900 Jews that rejected his "peaceful" Islam, then sold their wives and children into slavery as he continued to quote Allah, adding terrorism, beheadings and carnage.

Bin Laden believes he is following Muhammad's footsteps. He did not hijack a religion, he just took it seriously.

The answer is not to claim moderate Muslim beliefs are true Islam. The answer is not to ask our children to get on their hands and knees and pray to Allah in public school, to "become Muslim," fast for Ramadan, and "assume you are a Muslim soldier" as our textbooks direct. Once the governing majority is Muslim, "true Islam" and the totalitarian oppressive Sharia laws come into effect. Our freedoms will be slowly choked from us as they are being choked from France today.

President Bush probably doubts we can "win the war on terror" because that would require the eradication of Islam completely, something America would never endeavor. Religious freedom is fundamental to us, it is part of what makes us great. We will not outlaw Islam, we will not hunt down and kill every Muslim in an effort to win the Jihad pronounced by sheiks. President Bush is absolutely right, we can't "win" the war, we can only fight to maintain our stature and freedom while we hunt down a never-ending supply of Islamic terrorists.

Thus we have already "won" every day we stand as a shining light, (though dimming if our nation continues to oppose God).

But the plight of the moderate Muslim is grave. As America slowly admits the enemy is true Islam, every effort must be made to embrace the moderate Muslim, not persecute them. The answer is not to blind our eyes and try to convince ourselves that moderate Muslims represent true Islam. They don't. Islam is defined by its holy books, and the holy books proclaim death to all who oppose it, even moderate Muslims. The answer is to live in reality, recognize the violence of true Islam as it rears its head, and ask moderate Muslims to reconsider. True Islam pronounces moderate Muslims as apostate, they are the "near enemies" in the Sira and without true conversion, they will be slaughtered right along with Christians and Jews. American Muslims need to take a hard look at what their Koran, in its entirety and true context, demands. They can no more denounce the method of Muhammad than Christians can denounce the sacrifice and love of God. I know, because as I battle with public educators for my children's religious freedom, I get angry, and God continually rebukes me for my anger. He reminds me of the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for them as well, and I am constantly humbled.

Muhammad slaughtered unbelievers. Jesus Christ gave Himself to be slaughtered. Muhammad took life, Jesus laid down His own life. I am to love these educators that would ask my sons to practice abominations to God, but I am not to give my sons over to them. We are to LOVE American Muslims, but we ought not give over our nation. We need to admit what true Islam is… or we can invest in prayer carpets, head baskets and burkas.

So as America wakes up to our enemy's identity, pray for protection of moderate Muslims. They bought a belief without substance, a way of life without a Savior. Embrace them, love them and share His holy light with them. But at the same time, do not allow public schools to lead your sons and daughters to their plight. (and please pray I don't lose my temper in a courtroom defending my sons religious freedom. I can't believe what they're teaching).

The only thing that stops you from being a Nazi is you're targeting Muslims with your hate rather than Jews. You can whine all you want about "political correctness," as if the problem were everyone else rather than you, but seriously, you ought to keep your bigotry to yourself. It's an embarrassment to you, and it really has no place on a board that's supposed to be about music.

Well, on review of this whole topic I can't recall anywhere were I stated I hate muslims. I said I think the muslim way of life is totally fucked up, which in my opinion it is. A couple of you simply put your own slant on a fairly non-threatening remark and turned into me being the next Hitler…funny how he usually get thrown in at every opportunity by the bleeding heart liberals…but I digress.

I happen to think that circumsising is also fucked up, does that make me a jew-hater too, or re-confirm that I'm a muslim hater because of FGM? The answer is probably yes in your mind.

Debate Among Muslims:
As noted above, FGM is a social custom, not a religious practice. However, in those Muslim countries where it is practice, FGM is often justified by a controversial saying attributed to the Prophet Mohammed that seem to favor sunna circumcision. The authenticity of these sayings are unconfirmed, and some scholars have refuted them. Even if true, they only permit the practice; they do not mandate it.

FGM has probably been performed for at least 1,400 years (some references estimate 2,000 years), and started during what Muslims call "al-gahiliyyah" (the era of ignorance). The Qu'r'an, Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) and Christian Scriptures (New Testament) is silent on the subject. The Sunnah (the words and actions of the Prophet Mohammed) contains a reference to female circumcision.


If I take the same 'blinkers on, all or nothing' attitued that you took to my comments I must assume because you love the muslim way of life you are pro FGM…you sick bastard I pity your wife(s) and daughters then.

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
its pretty typical of racists to not see themselves as such. "Some of my best friends are black," yada yada. But anyone who thinks they can categorize and condemn a billion people they've never met is a bigot – nothing tired-old-PC about that. It's what you are.

Are there a billion Afrikan American Moslems living in the USA & UK? …maybe in Brittain.

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
The only thing that stops you from being a Nazi

Now who's using the broad brush now?

Calling O'Mankie a nazi? Next you'll doubtless say that Field Marshall Mongomery was a transvestitie!?! Was Winston Churchill a klan wizard, too?

One good thing about Mormons: They live in deserts & preach polygamy…just like Moslems do.

Maybe Mormons could be sent to the middle east as American envoys? They could enjoy the harem dances and talk sand and tumbleweeds with the Wahabists…probably have a lot in common.

Doctor Doom loves female genital mutilation? Wow, that's pertty fucked up. I guess we should have known, based on his screenname.

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
The only thing that stops you from being a Nazi is you're targeting Muslims with your hate rather than Jews.

The only thing that stops you from being a Khmer Rouge is you're targeting Mankie with your hate rather than Cambodian city dwellers.

Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Well, on review of this whole topic I can't recall anywhere were I stated I hate muslims. I said I think the muslim way of life is totally fucked up, which in my opinion it is.

You don't seem to be getting that you are calling an entire religion fucked up, based on a high level of ignorance and assumptions, and that is bigotry.

To put it in terms you might understand, your mention earlier on of the fact that you've traveled to Muslim lands and learned nothing about their culture made me think of the type of British punters who travel all over the world but never bother to venture beyond their favorite British expat pub, and the working girls that frequent said pub, in the countries they visit. Now, there is no question that *some* Brits behave as insufferable boors while on travel. If I were to say all Brits are like that, though, that would be bigotry.

I do happen to think that the muslim religion is fucked up, what's so bigoted about that? I think most religions are fucked up but the muslim religion being the worst of the bunch. I don't wish any of them dead as you have accused me of, but there's no question that without religion there'd be a lot less wars and a lot less dead people.


And you are the biggest user of the broad brush. It's just your bigotry and hatred is obviously targeted towards the British.

All NAZIS were bad.

Ooops, I'm a bigot too.

Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
I do happen to think that the muslim religion is fucked up, what's so bigoted about that? I think most religions are fucked up but the muslim religion being the worst of the bunch. I don't wish any of them dead as you have accused me of, but there's no question that without religion there'd be a lot less wars and a lot less dead people.


And you are the biggest user of the broad brush. It's just your bigotry and hatred is obviously targeted towards the British.

I have nothing against the British, you obviously completely missed the point (just like you missed picking up any knowledge from your travels). I was applying your exact attitude to a group you were familiar with, so you would understand how you come off. Didn't think I'd have to spell that out. :D

Anyway it's time to hopefully let this sorry thread die so that's my last word on the matter.