Originally posted by Chaz, Lover of all Forum Members:
You should definately have Seth as your mom???
i need some major persuasive help here
i really would like to thank you all for your kind words and suggestions. i'm definitely getting some ideas. seth, if i ever need you as backup; i'll definitely pm it up.
i think that the bottom line at this point is that my parents imagine a bunch of people waiting in line outside, and somebody driving by and shooting. or that's at least the impression i got from talking to my mom yesterday. it leads me to say that, you know, you undergo the risk of that happening ANYWHERE you go. but i can't truthfully say, either, that in that area at that time of night it's not going to have the same liklihood of happening as somewhere in Downtown Bethesda or something.
over the last two or so years, all the other concerns ("sketchy" older guys in the club that might give us trouble, going/not on school nights/whether going to shows affects my grades, having somebody in the club with us or getting dropped and picked up) have all been pretty much addressed & solved. but i mean, every time i say that concert goers don't and are NOT going to get shot outside the club, they play complete devils advocates and flip out. they're right. i have no grounds or authority to say it'll never happen. i just need to convince them it won't.
i think that the bottom line at this point is that my parents imagine a bunch of people waiting in line outside, and somebody driving by and shooting. or that's at least the impression i got from talking to my mom yesterday. it leads me to say that, you know, you undergo the risk of that happening ANYWHERE you go. but i can't truthfully say, either, that in that area at that time of night it's not going to have the same liklihood of happening as somewhere in Downtown Bethesda or something.
over the last two or so years, all the other concerns ("sketchy" older guys in the club that might give us trouble, going/not on school nights/whether going to shows affects my grades, having somebody in the club with us or getting dropped and picked up) have all been pretty much addressed & solved. but i mean, every time i say that concert goers don't and are NOT going to get shot outside the club, they play complete devils advocates and flip out. they're right. i have no grounds or authority to say it'll never happen. i just need to convince them it won't.
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:I was thinking that too. One of those 'our little baby is growing up so fast and we aren't ready or willing to deal with it yet' kind of syndromes. It happens all of the time around that age, especially for girls.
it sounds like they don't want you to go for some other reasons
Betty, just to refine your debating skills, don't you be the one to mention about anyone getting shot outside of the club, even if it's in the negative, as in not getting shot. The human psyche doesn't hear the positive or negative but instead it perceives the basic concept while the cerebral cortex does the analyzing on it's own.
In short, just don't bring it up. Since it's been the winning factor in their arguement so far, they will stick with it. You'll just have to find some kind of way to convince them that kind of stuff just doesn't happen at the 9:30 Club when they do reuse that point. Concentrate on the 9:30 Club itself and not any other venue just to keep it simple and so they can't throw in anything from anywhere else within DC. If they still insist, than you can do the same by including how that those kinds of crimes happen in schools, banks, shopping malls, gas stations, churches (Yes! It's happened!), home!, etc., but history has shown that it hasn't happened and mathematically highly improbable to happen at the 9:30 Club. Should you not go to school? Should you not go to Synagogue? Should you just lock yourself up in your house until they think the world is 100% completely safe to step outside?
It's also like saying that planes crash sometimes. Should you never fly even though there are way more car crashes than plane crashes? Wait a minute. Nix that example or they will throw it back at you next year when you try to get your learner's permit. :D Anyway, you get the idea. Find some similiar topic to counter their arguements. BTW, I'm using the word arguement as meaning oppossing sides of an issue, not as a fight.
Save this too for when they bring it up but almost all drive-by shootings are aimed at a known individual, not random people. (Don't bring up the DC snipers and if they do, they are incarcerated. Also, those kinds of snipers are very rare and can strike anywhere!) Odds are, any drive-by hitman isn't going to go after someone while that person is standing in some kind of line or too many other peope are around. Using the criminal mind, the know there are too many witnesses around! The criminal element will also know there are too many 9:30 Club staph and DC police officers there who are trained to act immediately on any kind of incident like that. They don't want confrontation nor identification therefore they would take their nasty business elsewhere.
Believe me, I fully understand where you are coming from. I missed so many shows when I was your age, partially for the very same reasons. My friends were going and nothing was happening to them. Just had to wait my time out which seemed forever. Now it all goes by way too fast!
Good luck!
Why are there adults on here giving advice to a child about how to win an argument with her parents? Whatever happened to respecting the parents' decision?
And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:Excuse you, but you've probably been at shows with me and not even noticed. No, I'm not one of those obnoxious kids at shows that jabs on their phone the whole time or yells rude comments at the opener. Take a look around. Half the members in the hipster band you're about to go see are probably only 17.
Why are there adults on here giving advice to a child about how to win an argument with her parents? Whatever happened to respecting the parents' decision?
And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:Did you not go to concerts when you were 15? I did. I remember having a great time.
And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
That does it.
Regardless of chronological age, Rhett is by far the oldest fart on the board!
Betty, touché on your comeback to the cranky old fart. ;)
Regardless of chronological age, Rhett is by far the oldest fart on the board!
Betty, touché on your comeback to the cranky old fart. ;)
I was first allowed to go to concerts when I was 16. They were not held in nightclubs.
Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:Did you not go to concerts when you were 15? I did. I remember having a great time.
And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
I know the members of the Drams are in their 30's. Not sure about the members of the High Strung.
I'm glad you're not an obnoxious kid. When I see you at the mall, the record store, or on the bike trail, I will appreciate that. I still don't want kids at the bars and clubs I choose to frequent.
I'm glad you're not an obnoxious kid. When I see you at the mall, the record store, or on the bike trail, I will appreciate that. I still don't want kids at the bars and clubs I choose to frequent.
Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:Excuse you, but you've probably been at shows with me and not even noticed. No, I'm not one of those obnoxious kids at shows that jabs on their phone the whole time or yells rude comments at the opener. Take a look around. Half the members in the hipster band you're about to go see are probably only 17.
Why are there adults on here giving advice to a child about how to win an argument with her parents? Whatever happened to respecting the parents' decision?
And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:Well then, could you please remove the stick from up your ass and tell us all why?
I know the members of the Drams are in their 30's. Not sure about the members of the High Strung.
I'm glad you're not an obnoxious kid. When I see you at the mall, the record store, or on the bike trail, I will appreciate that. I still don't want kids at the bars and clubs I choose to frequent.
Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:Excuse you, but you've probably been at shows with me and not even noticed. No, I'm not one of those obnoxious kids at shows that jabs on their phone the whole time or yells rude comments at the opener. Take a look around. Half the members in the hipster band you're about to go see are probably only 17.
Why are there adults on here giving advice to a child about how to win an argument with her parents? Whatever happened to respecting the parents' decision?
And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
Just personal preference. I'd like for bars and clubs to be places where people 18+ can congregate. No children.
The preference would be even stronger if I were single and in my 20's.
The preference would be even stronger if I were single and in my 20's.
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:parents today want to be buddies with their kids not parents. and they are lazy in fighting the peer and pop culture that inundates these hapless kids into looking like hooker-hoochie-mama fellatio :o experts at 12 . and lil johnny is yo-rapboy wigger and 'killin aint no thang biotch' and gee i cant figure out why johnny is into all sorts of bad shit. thats a large part why things r effed up today w kids. and mommy and daddy let them goto 9th st nw w the great protection of other like-minded kids getting into the same risky situations. its premature adulthood all the risks w/o the benfit of the wisdom.
Why are there adults on here giving advice to a child about how to win an argument with her parents? Whatever happened to respecting the parents' decision?
And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
aside from the pipebomb incident [lol] i didnt grow up this way and never wouldve been allowed to go such places nor alone or w other lil brats. guess my parents where square. how awful but i grewuop a pretty well-adjusted person. ok im ready for the onslaugh of derogatory remarks about oh i dont know pube-trimming, come on let me have it i kno its coming!
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:See, that's really funny because I have plenty of friends that are single AND in their 20's, and they love to hang out and go to shows with me. You can act as ignorant and stereotypical as you please, but it's coming off as more childish than any "children" in the area.
Just personal preference. I'd like for bars and clubs to be places where people 18+ can congregate. No children.
The preference would be even stronger if I were single and in my 20's.
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:live music shouldnt be exclusive to anyone. besides, teenagers these days are knowledgable man. let em have their fun. going to rock concerts isnt exactly the most mature activity 30+ peeps can engage in anyways. so if alt-country starts becoming the latest trend amongst high schoolers, are you going to stop going to see those bands live or just stop listening to that kind of music altogether?
Just personal preference. I'd like for bars and clubs to be places where people 18+ can congregate. No children.
The preference would be even stronger if I were single and in my 20's.
as for you be betty's scenario: i don't think any parent with a sizable income will deny some kind of reward for excellent academic achievements. think of something else you'd really like to have(a car when you're 16 or a killer drumset?) and talk them into getting that in exchange for not being allowed to attend concerts. overbearing parents can be a real drag but if you keep up in school, maybe you can get into a sweet university in a big city and be able to have all kinds of great experiences on your mom and dad's dime. its always wise to think ahead so start planning and working towards that goal now.
Tell them to visit this forum. They'll soon see you are far, far more likely to become one of our drunken in-the-alley-post-concert sexual conquests then you are to be shot.
On second thought, DO NOT let your parents know this forum exists.
On second thought, DO NOT let your parents know this forum exists.
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:I don't know betty, but from her behavior on here, I'd rather attend a concert with 1200 people who act like her then I'd like to attend a concert with 1200 drunken 23 year old fratboys.
Just personal preference. I'd like for bars and clubs to be places where people 18+ can congregate. No children.
The preference would be even stronger if I were single and in my 20's.
that's not too much of a compliment, but thanks! ;)
I'll take solace in the fact that Iota is 21+. The 8x10 Club in Baltimore is 18+, I'm sure there are others that are simliar.
Good grades should be an expectation. The reward should be intrinsic satisfaction and parental approval, not materialistic stuff.
Good grades should be an expectation. The reward should be intrinsic satisfaction and parental approval, not materialistic stuff.
Originally posted by shoot ur shot:
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:live music shouldnt be exclusive to anyone. besides, teenagers these days are knowledgable man. let em have their fun. going to rock concerts isnt exactly the most mature activity 30+ peeps can engage in anyways. so if alt-country starts becoming the latest trend amongst high schoolers, are you going to stop going to see those bands live or just stop listening to that kind of music altogether?
Just personal preference. I'd like for bars and clubs to be places where people 18+ can congregate. No children.
The preference would be even stronger if I were single and in my 20's.
as for you be betty's scenario: i don't think any parent with a sizable income will deny some kind of reward for excellent academic achievements. think of something else you'd really like to have(a car when you're 16 or a killer drumset?) and talk them into getting that in exchange for not being allowed to attend concerts. overbearing parents can be a real drag but if you keep up in school, maybe you can get into a sweet university in a big city and be able to have all kinds of great experiences on your mom and dad's dime. its always wise to think ahead so start planning and working towards that goal now.
Originally posted by you be betty:As a just turned sixteen year old, I share some of your pain. My parents and I have an agreement that I can attend any show I want as long as I maintain straight As and pay for the ticket myself. They pick me up after all of the shows, and my friends and I metro down to the shows. I get good grades in hard classes, barely drink or smoke (an anomaly in my Bethesda high school), go to school, don't whore myself on the streets, etc., so they have no reason to say no to me. The second I break our agreement (and they find out), my privileges to go to Black Cat and 9:30 will be revoked. You seem to have had a similar agreement.
so please, brainstorm, brainstorm for the children…
Present your parents with the alternative, what you COULD be doing with your weekend nights, with the rest of Bethesda's teenagers. You're more likely to get into a crash because of a drunk teenage driver, or get a citation because of some dumb party than get shot outside of the 9:30 club. If they bring up shootings, ask them to provide specific examples, with dates, from reputable sources. But as someone else said, don't bring up the shootings yourself.
Or just ask for a Kevlar vest for your birthday.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help, thankfully my parents have given up the fight. Although, they wouldn't let me attend the New Pornographers show last night when my friends came up with an extra ticket, because "with that name, god knows what goes on" :roll: . You win some, you lose some, what can I say?
Originally posted by Graace:hmm definitely done that already!
Originally posted by you be betty:As a just turned sixteen year old, I share some of your pain. My parents and I have an agreement that I can attend any show I want as long as I maintain straight As and pay for the ticket myself. They pick me up after all of the shows, and my friends and I metro down to the shows. I get good grades in hard classes, barely drink or smoke (an anomaly in my Bethesda high school), go to school, don't whore myself on the streets, etc., so they have no reason to say no to me. The second I break our agreement (and they find out), my privileges to go to Black Cat and 9:30 will be revoked. You seem to have had a similar agreement.
so please, brainstorm, brainstorm for the children…
Present your parents with the alternative, what you COULD be doing with your weekend nights, with the rest of Bethesda's teenagers. You're more likely to get into a crash because of a drunk teenage driver, or get a citation because of some dumb party than get shot outside of the 9:30 club. If they bring up shootings, ask them to provide specific examples, with dates, from reputable sources. But as someone else said, don't bring up the shootings yourself.
Or just ask for a Kevlar vest for your birthday.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help, thankfully my parents have given up the fight. Although, they wouldn't let me attend the New Pornographers show last night when my friends came up with an extra ticket, because "with that name, god knows what goes on" :roll: . You win some, you lose some, what can I say?
i believe i said something along the lines of "i'm not going out to drink, do drugs, or have sex; i'm going out to stand in a room and listen to some music. you're LUCKY."
& what school do you go to?