i need some major persuasive help here

Mankie now thinking he may switch to Joe Jackson while making dinner…..I'll let the panel decide.

Joe Jackson

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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
But my dad did take me to see Miles Davis, Dexter Gordon, Sun Ra, Stan Getz, etc…

I'll bet you're such a big disappointment to him, then?
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Originally posted by you be betty:
2) every time i have said that nobody has gotten shot going to a show, my mom goes "YOU DON'T KNOW THAT! YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT KIND OF AN ASSUMPTION!"

The club management can verify that, though. If someone's taking you and picking you up directly from the club, I think your parents' safety concerns are unreasonable. I also recommend having them call the club.

How old are you? I do have to say that in the past when you've been upset that you can't got to shows mid-week, etc., I've though that you are so young. You have YEARS of shows to see. I wouldn't sweat and fume over every one you want to attend.

Trust me, I was a crazy music fan at your age as well. And that's, like, 500 shows ago. You will see LOTS of bands. So, as someone said earlier, save your energy trying to get to the really important ones. Fewer shows does engender a bit less concern, I would think.

she said she's 15 a couple of times

i used to go to concerts around the same age, and used to hang out in not so good neighborhoods. my mom used to get upset once in awhile, but my dad would calm her down. i was a much worse kid than you be betty, who seems quite mature

I don't think we can possibly be of any more help unless Betty was to post her picture and her AOL screenname. :D

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
she said she's 15 a couple of times

I hadn't read entire, long thread when I posted…my bad, I tend to do that when a thread is a couple pages.

Isn't the 930 club supposedly located in a so-called "bad area" of town???
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Originally posted by clouds R²:
My dad gave me a Zappa album for my birthday when I turned 16.

I asked for Dr. Dre's "The Chronic" for hannukah when I was 11, and my dad actually bought it for me

for those of you who aren't hip to the hip-hop, the CD is just one huge pot leaf.

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
I asked for Dr. Dre's "The Chronic" for hannukah when I was 11, and my dad actually bought it for me

for those of you who aren't hip to the hip-hop, the CD is just one huge pot leaf.

Maybe he thought it was medicinal?

Originally posted by clouds R²:
Isn't the 930 club supposedly located in a
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if only the "black brothers" who sell drugs to "the black children" would see and think about this picture. what a far cry from what goes on.
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Far be it for me to be the voice of reason to a 15 year old girl because I'm exactly what your dad should be afraid of, not the "spree of shootings in the area around the club" , but here's what I would do:

Ask them what it would take to make it happen, and do it. If that means they have to drop you off and pick you up, or an older friend/relative has to chaperone, or the back bar option for an adult to wait for you during the show or on the phone with them on the way in and on the phone with them on the way out until you're in a cab then so be it. Hell, they can even call the club - don't be embarrassed by it.

Ask to be treated like an adult because they've raised you to act like an adult, but respect their parental authority, work out a compromise that allows you to see the bands in return for sacrificing some control over your actions.

You'll be happy and they'll be happy. You might also tell them that you'll go to less shows in exchange for the really important "can't miss" shows. It sounds like you have a good relationship with your folks, os even if they say no, don't start sneaking out. You'll be better off collecting chips to cash in later then ruining a good relationship.

Originally posted by vansmack:
It sounds like you have a good relationship with your folks, os even if they say no, don't start sneaking out. You'll be better off collecting chips to cash in later then ruining a good relationship.

Definitely follow this advice. Eventually they'll find out, and you won't get that trust back again.

Yeah, if you're going to sneak out, it should be for something better then a concert. Hot sex with a University of Maryland football player or something like that.

HAHAHA!

well, y'all were wrong…i actually have a terrible relationship with my parents, but i'm a good kid regardless. then again, my whole family kind of has this massive shitty relationship with eachother, so it's not something i get in trouble for or anything. we're all pretty dysfunctional over here.
living in Bethesda, though, i get extremely pissed off when i see kids screw up their lives through drugs and alcohol and sex and other various "illegal activities." i'm so lucky to be living here in a fairly upper-middle class family (and i'm not even as well off as most of the kids around here), and i've acknowledged this luck and wouldn't screw it over for the world. so, no. i wouldn't be going to sneak out anyway. i may be a teenage girl with a bad relationship with my parents; but i've got a good head on my shoulders.

vansmack, you gave me the best advice i've gotten yet. thank you. i didn't even think about proposing something, like, staying on the phone with them until i'm in the club or not.

kosmo, i've definitely pondered this, as well. for the Rufus Wainwright show, though Ok Go is one of my favorite bands and i'm used to seeing them in a smaller venue; i have offered to arrive at the club later and will have to do so and just attempt to push my way up further. when Tegan & Sara were playing at the club over the summer, i also offered to my dad to arrive about half way through the opening band. he still said no; but i ended up going to see Q and not U that night anyway so it wasn't so bad :cool:

i'm definitely going to try to talk to my parents again about this some time this weekend, and hope something pulls through. the week is too stressful for everyone and definitely not a great time for me to bring something like this up. my defenses are weakened by lack of sleep, anyway.


and, as far as parents taking me to shows? i've pretty much given up. my dad is a music nerd too (our house is filled with cds and a whole room of records–it's obviously where i get it from), and was totally a stoner back in the day too. i'd say he had about a two year phase or so of listening to good rock music, and that's about it. i respect his classical, but he pretty much spends his time insulting what i listen to and blasting his over mine. i think he might respect Ben Folds a little bit, and that's pretty much it. anyway, when i was eleven years old my dad took a friend and i to see Joan Jett & The Blackhearts. he basically sat next to us in the third row the whole time, and while my friend and i were standing on our seats dancing the whole time; my father sat in his chair with earphones in (classical, no doubt, was playing!) reading the paper. i found it very very humerous. he complained all the way home about how loud it was, and since i haven't asked him to chaperone and he hasn't volunteered. he did, though, take me to see The Who in LA last summer which was really great of him.
my mom, also pretty much gets headaches every time i play something. she took me to see Rilo Kiley a year and a half ago in LA, because i desperately wanted to go and had nobody else to go with me. so that was really cool of her. she has been supporting me more than anybody else with going to shows and stuff just until a few days ago, when she heard about these shootings in the area. she was rooting for me all summer. she's also definitely started respecting my musical tastes a bit more, too, because the shows i'm going to are constantly selling out; and my favorite bands are constantly being featured on NPR which she listens to about 24/7.


but whatever, i'm not going to give up. i may seem young, but i am a complete music nerd and i love going to shows so much. the kids i grow up with around here have terrible musical tastes and are preppy, ignorant fucktwats for the most part. so i really need to get out to shows at least once or twice a month. and as far as i'm concerned, i could be doing much worse on my weekends; so i don't see why i shouldn't get to go. vive le rock n' roll!

Originally posted by you be betty:

vansmack, i didn't even think about proposing something, like, staying on the phone with them until i'm in the club or not.

Believe me, it's from experience.

First off, every kid thinks their relationship with their parents suck. And I'm not saying this because I want to defend your folks and I certainly DO NOT want details about what your relationship with your folks is like. My hypocrisy has it's boundaries. I look back and laugh at how well I had it, but if you'd have asked me then…..all the while my folks took me to see The Dead and Bob Dylan, the Stones, and, of all things The Who in LA. It takes a pretty cool parent to do stuff like that. Sure they hated Social D, Love and Rockets and The Smiths etc., but we found common ground.

Second, I did the sneak to a show thing back in the day because my mom did the sneak to a show back in the day (she snuck to Hollywood to see the Beatle's at The Hollywood Bowl in the 60's, I snuck to LA to see U2 at the LA Sports Arena in the 80s). Both of us had miserable experiences trying to get home and ended up having to call a family member in the end to get home. We laugh now about how easy it would have been to ask for help prior. After that, I worked it out with them, and a compromise was found. I didn't see every show, but I saw enough shows to fill my thirst for live music.

Good luck and it's not the end of the world. You'll see more shows in college and after you get your first real job then you'll know what to do with. They even become a blur after a while.