bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by le sonick:
uh oh , we hit a sore spot.

That's my point - anyone you say, it's going to be a sore spot to their fans. The only way you can say a band SHOULD retire is if NO ONE comes to their shows anymore. If people are still coming out, the band should quit because other people aren't coming anymore? Huh?

so by that logic as long as anyone wants a band to reunite, they should and we should all be subjected to them all over again?

Originally posted by le sonick:
so by that logic as long as anyone wants a band to reunite, they should and we should all be subjected to them all over again?

Subjected to them? You act like bands are reuniting, breaking your windows, climbing into your bedroom and playing sets while you sleep.

There are lots of bands I hate and I manage to avoid them fairly easily. If their idiot fans enjoy them, good for them. I don't lose any sleep over it. That's why this is a stupid topic - what harm is there really in bands continuing to play past their prime?

Originally posted by le sonick:

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by le sonick:
uh oh , we hit a sore spot.

That's my point - anyone you say, it's going to be a sore spot to their fans. The only way you can say a band SHOULD retire is if NO ONE comes to their shows anymore. If people are still coming out, the band should quit because other people aren't coming anymore? Huh?

so by that logic as long as anyone wants a band to reunite, they should and we should all be subjected to them all over again?

How are you or anyone else subjected to anyone they don't want to be subjected to?

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
You act like bands are reuniting, breaking your windows, climbing into your bedroom and playing sets while you sleep.

If they'd just knock on the door like normal people, we wouldn't have this problem. But since they insist on breaking the windows…

Originally posted by miss pretentious:

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
You act like bands are reuniting, breaking your windows, climbing into your bedroom and playing sets while you sleep.

If they'd just knock on the door like normal people, we wouldn't have this problem. But since they insist on breaking the windows…

Brandon Boyd don't play that way! He yells Pardon Me right in Mrs. Sonick's face every night! Oh, the horror! The ignominy!

i'm shocked that this thread has this many posts, and no one has mentionned the dave matthews band. they definitely need to stop it.

rush is ripe for retirement. they haven't done anything relevant in years. ditto for pink floyd. i LOVE both bands, but mostly for what they did 20+ years ago.

Originally posted by le sonick:
i'm waiting for someone to say Radiohead, but then again i am not sure they are still together!

they're supposed to release a new album before the end of the year. was that a serious comment/observation? are there any rumors out there of a break-up?

Originally posted by sweetcell:
i'm shocked that this thread has this many posts, and no one has mentionned the dave matthews band. they definitely need to stop it.

rush is ripe for retirement. they haven't done anything relevant in years. ditto for pink floyd. i LOVE both bands, but mostly for what they did 20+ years ago.

Originally posted by le sonick:
i'm waiting for someone to say Radiohead, but then again i am not sure they are still together!

they're supposed to release a new album before the end of the year. was that a serious comment/observation? are there any rumors out there of a break-up?

again, why retire if you still sell out every show that you play, and you enjoy it?

Originally posted by sweetcell:
rush is ripe for retirement. they haven't done anything relevant in years.

Rush released something after Moving Pictures? I didn't get the memo.

Originally posted by sweetcell:
they're supposed to release a new album before the end of the year. was that a serious comment/observation? are there any rumors out there of a break-up?

That albums was supposed to come out in 2006 originally. It was then pushed back to 2007. The band confirmed last week it will not be out in 2007, and they clearly are not done recording.

There's no direct rumours of a breakup, but they clearly have taken time off and done solo/side projects. So, who knows if we ever see another thing from them?

Originally posted by sweetcell:
i'm shocked that this thread has this many posts, and no one has mentionned the dave matthews band. they definitely need to stop it.

rush is ripe for retirement. they haven't done anything relevant in years. ditto for pink floyd. i LOVE both bands, but mostly for what they did 20+ years ago.

Originally posted by le sonick:
i'm waiting for someone to say Radiohead, but then again i am not sure they are still together!

they're supposed to release a new album before the end of the year. was that a serious comment/observation? are there any rumors out there of a break-up?

i'm surprised it has this many posts as well; most people ignore what i have to say . . . except to wonder what i think women's hoo hoo holes smell like.

Originally posted by bnyced0:

Originally posted by sweetcell:
rush is ripe for retirement. they haven't done anything relevant in years.

Rush released something after Moving Pictures? I didn't get the memo.

Do you not get Billboard?

Originally posted by TheDirector217:

Originally posted by bnyced0:
All rap artists not from one of the five boroughs of New York or West of Nevada

You're buggin' right???? I wouyld expect that someone else on the board, but not you B. You're an educated hip-hop fan.

Ever heard of this little group called OutKast???

8Ball & M.J.G.???

Scarface, maybe???

T.I.???

UGK????

Nah, none of 'em are anything special. Just 4 certified legends & one dude who seems well of his way . . . You disappoint me, B.

An educated hip hop fan would know that T.I. fucking sucks, Scarface and the rest of the Geto Boys are definitely underrated though.
At least you didn't put fucking godawful Lil' Wayne on your list of certified legends, thanks for that haha

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Smashing Pumpkins

Their live show still completely kills and packs the house. If the fans like it, as clearly we do by buying up tons of tickets, then why should anyone else care

packs the house for part of the set?
sorry, but i can't see what's so great about the 3+ hour shows, especially when 25+ minutes of that is fucking gossamer. come on. the floor was half empty by the end of gossamer in dc, people were flooding out by the end at the first four asheville shows and i heard similar things about the SF shows. over-extending your welcome?

Originally posted by sweetcell:
they're supposed to release a new album before the end of the year. was that a serious comment/observation? are there any rumors out there of a break-up?

it was a joke. but do they have a record label yet? last i remember hearing they were label shopping, which puts them at LEAST 6 months from a full release, and i cant believe they would release one themselves.

Originally posted by distance:

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Smashing Pumpkins

Their live show still completely kills and packs the house. If the fans like it, as clearly we do by buying up tons of tickets, then why should anyone else care

packs the house for part of the set?
sorry, but i can't see what's so great about the 3+ hour shows, especially when 25+ minutes of that is fucking gossamer. come on. the floor was half empty by the end of gossamer in dc, people were flooding out by the end at the first four asheville shows and i heard similar things about the SF shows. over-extending your welcome?

I still don't understand the complaint about a show being "too long." If you want to leave, then just leave.

Ticket sales remain the telling point here: the vast majority, if not all, of the dates the Pumpkins have played in the States have or are sold out.

Originally posted by le sonick:

Originally posted by sweetcell:
they're supposed to release a new album before the end of the year. was that a serious comment/observation? are there any rumors out there of a break-up?

it was a joke. but do they have a record label yet? last i remember hearing they were label shopping, which puts them at LEAST 6 months from a full release, and i cant believe they would release one themselves.

why wouldn't they release it themselves? you're telling me Radiohead can't get a distribution deal apart from a record label? they don't need a publicist, and I'm sure they can get a booking agent…

Originally posted by callat703:
I still don't understand the complaint about a show being "too long." If you want to leave, then just leave.

Ticket sales remain the telling point here: the vast majority, if not all, of the dates the Pumpkins have played in the States have or are sold out.

a) if i'm recording the show, which i was at the sp shows i went to this year, i don't really want to leave. i also don't really want to leave and miss out on billy pulling some random obscure song out of his ass that might actuall be decent. i would rather not have to sit through 'heavy metal machine', 'blue skies bring tears, gosammer or most of the material from zeitgeist, though.

b) all/most of the shows have sold out, yes, but how small have the venues been? they've only played 1 headlining show bigger than the fillmore in this country, right? (i'm not counting live earth). and the fall dates are mostly ~3k capacity, yes? it's not really that close to the size venues they were playing before. i would wager that if SP played a 930-sized venue just about anywhere it would sell out based on the size of the fanbase that would travel just for that one show. there's a lot of rabid fans that went to 5+ shows. that eats up a lot of tickets.

Originally posted by callat703:
why wouldn't they release it themselves? you're telling me Radiohead can't get a distribution deal apart from a record label? psh

because getting a distribution deal involves much more work and risk than having a cushy contract with a large record company. Radiohead is one of the few bands that could easily throw out their own records, but have chosen not to. so why would they start now? just saying, Radiohead seems to want that major label to do everything for them (and then bitch about them later).

they'll get a deal when they want one….presumably when the record is done and their deal will be "release the record AS IS"

see Thom likes having the label promote the fuck out of them, he just doesnt like them peering over his shoulder as he's recording the record.

Originally posted by distance:

Originally posted by callat703:
I still don't understand the complaint about a show being "too long." If you want to leave, then just leave.

Ticket sales remain the telling point here: the vast majority, if not all, of the dates the Pumpkins have played in the States have or are sold out.

a) if i'm recording the show, which i was at the sp shows i went to this year, i don't really want to leave. i also don't really want to leave and miss out on billy pulling some random obscure song out of his ass that might actuall be decent. i would rather not have to sit through 'heavy metal machine', 'blue skies bring tears, gosammer or most of the material from zeitgeist, though.

b) all/most of the shows have sold out, yes, but how small have the venues been? they've only played 1 headlining show bigger than the fillmore in this country, right? (i'm not counting live earth). and the fall dates are mostly ~3k capacity, yes? it's not really that close to the size venues they were playing before. i would wager that if SP played a 930-sized venue just about anywhere it would sell out based on the size of the fanbase that would travel just for that one show. there's a lot of rabid fans that went to 5+ shows. that eats up a lot of tickets.

a) Tough shit.

b) You proved my point. You're saying they've got to play arenas to matter? And they're playing multiple dates at most 3k size venues (take the Tower in Philly).

Originally posted by le sonick:

Originally posted by callat703:
why wouldn't they release it themselves? you're telling me Radiohead can't get a distribution deal apart from a record label? psh

because getting a distribution deal involves much more work and risk than having a cushy contract with a large record company. Radiohead is one of the few bands that could easily throw out their own records, but have chosen not to. so why would they start now? just saying, Radiohead seems to want that major label to do everything for them (and then bitch about them later).

they'll get a deal when they want one….presumably when the record is done and their deal will be "release the record AS IS"

see Thom likes having the label promote the fuck out of them, he just doesnt like them peering over his shoulder as he's recording the record.

Getting a distribution deal is NOT that hard. If Clap Your Hands Say Yeah was able to do it, I'm sure Radiohead won't have much of a problem.

You really believe that EMI had any creative control over Amnesiac or Hail to the Thief? Seriously?

They haven't done it before because they were locked into a multi-album deal with EMI, which expired after Hail to the Thief.

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