callat703
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 24, 2007 at 07:15 PM UTC
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by callat703:
b) You proved my point. You're saying they've got to play arenas to matter? And they're playing multiple dates at most 3k size venues (take the Tower in Philly).
lets see what happens after they've toured once around, see how many people see them a second time around, once the novelty of everyone 21 and under whos never had the chance to see them is over.
their new album is boooooring.
Time will tell. I just happen to think you're wrong.
Brian_Walalce
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 24, 2007 at 07:18 PM UTC
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Since someone else brought it up there's an article in the new Spin (with Rilo Kiley on the cover!) about this entire Smashing Pumpkins situation. Basically it says:
1.) When Billy toured the "The Future Embrace" everyone was bored out of their minds and would only perk up when he'd throw a Pumpkins riff in there.
2.) Soon after Billy makes a statement "The original four will never be on a stage again."
3.) Soon after THAT he puts a statement out saying The Smashing Pumpkins are getting back together
4.) Everyone wonders "What's up?"
5.) James Iha and D'Arcy are never contacted.
6.) Butch Vig says D'Arcy and James Iha never really played on Pumpkins records.
7.) The article veers off for a bit to say what a dick Corgan is for releasing four versions of his album.
8.) Article concludes with "Zeitgeist" debuting at #2 and the Asheville/SF shows selling out.
Brian
distance
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 24, 2007 at 07:19 PM UTC
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Originally posted by le sonick:
lets see what happens after they've toured once around, see how many people see them a second time around, once the novelty of everyone 21 and under whos never had the chance to see them is over.
their new album is boooooring.
exactly. i saw them several times pre-breakup and i've seen them several times this year. i was extremely disappointed overall with the end result, especially with the new material. it wasn't that bad taking a chance when the tickets were $20-30. i definitely wouldn't have spent $50 and not what the prices are for the upcoming fall dates. i actually won't ever spend a dime to see them again.
distance
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 24, 2007 at 07:28 PM UTC
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Originally posted by callat703:
a) Tough shit.
b) You proved my point. You're saying they've got to play arenas to matter? And they're playing multiple dates at most 3k size venues (take the Tower in Philly).
you brought up the feeling about 'not leaving' and i gave you my reason. yeah, it is tough shit and i dealt with it.
i didn't say they had to play arenas to matter. you just said 'OH THEY'VE SOLD OUT EVERYWHERE THEY'VE PLAYED'. if they played 100 capacity bars they would have sold out those shows too! i don't think that the sell-outs show much of anything. these shows had a lot of hype around them, especially with them being a bunch of shows in the same city over 2-3 week periods. these were the first major shows outside of chicago within the US since corgan abruptly announced 1 week before the end of the US tour in 2000 that the band was breaking up. i am sure there were a lot of people other than myself that would have put forth effort to see more on that last tour, had they known prior to the tour that that was 'it' (or at least 'it' at the time).
the asheville and SF shows were a chance that the majority of people never had – the chance to see the band in a relatively small setting. the last time they toured clubs… ~93? (i'm not counting the very short '99 tour or other random one-off small shows). there was way more going on with these shows than just "smashing pumpkins played some shows that sold out".
if they continue to tour, i guaratee you that you'll see less sell-outs.
callat703
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 24, 2007 at 07:37 PM UTC
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Originally posted by distance:
Originally posted by callat703:
a) Tough shit.
b) You proved my point. You're saying they've got to play arenas to matter? And they're playing multiple dates at most 3k size venues (take the Tower in Philly).
you brought up the feeling about 'not leaving' and i gave you my reason. yeah, it is tough shit and i dealt with it.
i didn't say they had to play arenas to matter. you just said 'OH THEY'VE SOLD OUT EVERYWHERE THEY'VE PLAYED'. if they played 100 capacity bars they would have sold out those shows too! i don't think that the sell-outs show much of anything. these shows had a lot of hype around them, especially with them being a bunch of shows in the same city over 2-3 week periods. these were the first major shows outside of chicago within the US since corgan abruptly announced 1 week before the end of the US tour in 2000 that the band was breaking up. i am sure there were a lot of people other than myself that would have put forth effort to see more on that last tour, had they known prior to the tour that that was 'it' (or at least 'it' at the time).
the asheville and SF shows were a chance that the majority of people never had – the chance to see the band in a relatively small setting. the last time they toured clubs… ~93? (i'm not counting the very short '99 tour or other random one-off small shows). there was way more going on with these shows than just "smashing pumpkins played some shows that sold out".
if they continue to tour, i guaratee you that you'll see less sell-outs.
The tour on MACHINA was comparably sized venues. They played the Aragon in Chicago, capacity 3k. If I'm not mistaken, they played the 9:30 on that tour. Correct?
And of course - that's how tours work. If you keep doing it without releasing anything new, people lose interest. Take the Pixies or Dinosaur Jr. as perfect examples.
My prediction? They finish this run through the winter, maybe play a few dates in the spring, and then start recording again and put out another album.
distance
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 24, 2007 at 07:40 PM UTC
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Originally posted by callat703:
The tour on MACHINA was comparably sized venues. They played the Aragon in Chicago, capacity 3k. If I'm not mistaken, they played the 9:30 on that tour. Correct?
2 shows at the aragon.
"dc" = patriot center in 2000.
Brian_Walalce
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 24, 2007 at 07:57 PM UTC
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Originally posted by callat703:
My prediction? They finish this run through the winter, maybe play a few dates in the spring, and then start recording again and put out another album.
How you refer to "they" when you talk about the Smashing Pumpkins…I think that's funny.
Brian
callat703
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 24, 2007 at 07:58 PM UTC
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Originally posted by distance:
Originally posted by callat703:
The tour on MACHINA was comparably sized venues. They played the Aragon in Chicago, capacity 3k. If I'm not mistaken, they played the 9:30 on that tour. Correct?
2 shows at the aragon.
"dc" = patriot center in 2000.
Looking at the tour list from 2000, they played plenty of shows very comparable to what they're doing now:
http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?year=2000 Two shows at the Aragon is comparable to three shows at the Tower. And the Patriot Center, I believe, is smaller than that.
danknugz
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 24, 2007 at 11:35 PM UTC
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ozzy needs to retire. he's a legend, and already made his money. that guy should be enjoying the rest of his life, not touring.
smashing pumpkins should have broken up after siamese dream. now its just kinda sad. YES, i wanted tickets to the dc show, because i never bothered to see them in their prime, but after hearing the bootleg, i'm glad tickets sold out before i could get em.
the 21st century doors/riders on the storm or whatever the fuck they're calling themselves now. i'm a huge doors fan, since i was a 9 year old kid, but i'd rather see a tribute band then these guys. at least with a tribute band, you know they're doing it because they love the music. ray manzarek is nothing but a money-grubber who'd rather spend thousands recording his new solo album that'll sell 2 copies than buying back old doors tapes and releasing them. you know the REAL doors tapes - when jim was alive.
jimmie's chicken shack - arent they playing in gaithersburg @ the fairgrounds pretty soon? i know someone last weekend was asking me if i wanted to go. do they even "tour" outside of Maryland????
any band with an eddie-vedder clone as a singer, or any band that ASSOCIATES with vedder clone-led bands should retire.
speaking of eddie, PJ should retire. at least from making albums. they can still make good bread from touring their old material. not that any of that material was ever particulary good.
courtney love shoudn't retire, she should fall out of a moving car on the beltway, going 80 mph.
lwoxley
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 25, 2007 at 01:43 PM UTC
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Rolling Stones
Van Halen
KISS
….to name just three.
In fact, retirement for rock bands should be mandatory at age 55. If the individual members want to start solo projects then fine, but old men in spandex gyrating about on stage is not only not sexy anymore, it's just out and out embarrassing for them.
ayates
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 25, 2007 at 02:24 PM UTC
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Aerosmith for fuck's sake.
lwoxley
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 25, 2007 at 03:14 PM UTC
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Originally posted by ayates:
Aerosmith for fuck's sake.
They would've been 4th on my list.
palahniukkubrick
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 25, 2007 at 04:01 PM UTC
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I don't know what the The Beach Boys are still doing around. Now the band is just Mike Love and hired guns playing state fairs and annual Wolf Trap shows (usually two shows, the early one being for fucking kids and the late one for nostalgic idiots.) Moreover, they haven't released a good album in decades. They ought to just retire and leave performances to Beach Boys tribute bands.
However, many bands just get stuck in creative ruts. People might have thought that Dylan should have retired in the mid-eighties, but if he had there wouldn't be any Time Out of Mind or Oh Mercy. So it's good he didn't.
Two major acts that appear as though they should retire are Tom Petty and The Beastie Boys. Petty hasn't released a really good album since Wildflowers in 1994 and the B-Boys haven't since Hello Nasty, in 1998. But I believe that if they stick it out they'll release some great late-period albums like Dylan did. So let's have faith.
The Smashing Pumpkins is a tricky question. It comes down to whether or not you accept the reunion. If you don't, the whole thing seems silly. If you do, well, enjoy it while it lasts.
cholli2
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 25, 2007 at 05:16 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
[QB] Rolling Stones
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Ask and ye shall receive
ayates
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 25, 2007 at 09:00 PM UTC
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Originally posted by danknugz:
jimmie's chicken shack - arent they playing in gaithersburg @ the fairgrounds pretty soon? i know someone last weekend was asking me if i wanted to go. do they even "tour" outside of Maryland????
I saw them in Chambersburg, PA one time. A crowd of maybe 100 people…this was less than a year ago.
martinrob
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 27, 2007 at 12:55 AM UTC
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whomever said Smashing Pumpkins needs to retire and to not pass go and do not collect retirement.
sweetcell
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 27, 2007 at 01:39 AM UTC
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Originally posted by walkonby:
i have to admit, after the fourth beer, they're not so bad.
always the sign of a superior band :D
xine
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Re: bands that SHOULD retire? definitely!
August 27, 2007 at 04:08 AM UTC
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Subjected to them? You act like bands are reuniting, breaking your windows, climbing into your bedroom and playing sets while you sleep.
LOL!