To be honest, I saw them on the Gish tour and found them unlistenable and unwatchable. So I've tried to avoid them since then. I really don't see much difference between arena "alternative" rockers like Smashing Pumpkins and the arena rock bands that they were supposedly an alternative to.
Bankrolling Billy's new house
Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:cause all great songs, have great lyrics
Not to always play devils advocate, but if you look at the lyrics to even their best songs they are a bit shitey/not as good as greenday.
Today is the greatest
Day I â??ve ever kown
Oh yeah, I'll tell you something,
I think you'll understand.
When I'll say that something
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand.
Oh please, say to me
You'll let me be your man
And please, say to me
You'll let me hold your hand.
Now let me hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand.
And when I touch you I feel happy inside.
It's such a feeling that my love
I can't hide, I can't hide, I can't hide.
Yeah, you've got that something,
I think you'll understand.
When I'll say that something
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand.
And when I touch you I feel happy inside.
It's such a feeling that my love
I can't hide, I can't hide, I can't hide.
Yeh, you've got that something,
I think you'll understand.
When I'll feel that something
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand.
Originally posted by tinygee:Sonick,
rhett dare you say that billy corgan is not one of the finer lyricists in the past 15 years? dont be an ignorant shithead. what the fuck makes you so hip?
I believe we were talking about lyrics.
Dont go and do a Rhett and lose the point of the argument and go off on an almost random tangent so as to not be defeated.
America won the Revolutionary War!
Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:all i was saying that a lot of people would say that the Beatles have great lyrics. however, taking a one hit song sample of thier lyrics show that some of thier songs had really simple ones, yet both songs (Today and Hold Your Hand) were wildly successful and to be honest, if you were my age (for Today) would hold fond memories for you. (and Hold Your Hand for people like my parents)
Originally posted by tinygee:Sonick,
rhett dare you say that billy corgan is not one of the finer lyricists in the past 15 years? dont be an ignorant shithead. what the fuck makes you so hip?
I believe we were talking about lyrics.
Dont go and do a Rhett and lose the point of the argument and go off on an almost random tangent so as to not be defeated.
howzat random?
No, the Baltimore City Paper deciphered it for me. I remember reading a review for the Rat in the Cage album in the Baltimore City Paper from the mid/late? 90's which tore that album to shreds, and delighted in mocking the lyrics to that song. It was an awesomely funny review. Wish I still had a copy.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:apparently you did, dumbass.
How can you even decipher the lyrics emitted by his whiney voice?
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:and you remembered the exact line for almost 10 years. amazing.
No, the Baltimore City Paper deciphered it for me. I remember reading a review for the Rat in the Cage album in the Baltimore City Paper from the mid/late? 90's
I have a habit of uttering stupid phrases over and over. Some of them I even steal from other people.
Like when the Maz uttered "His foot was on the bag, Joe."
My wife comes up with some good ones too. She is always telling me she wants to "reconnect with your hairy balls."
Like when the Maz uttered "His foot was on the bag, Joe."
My wife comes up with some good ones too. She is always telling me she wants to "reconnect with your hairy balls."
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:and you remembered the exact line for almost 10 years. amazing.
No, the Baltimore City Paper deciphered it for me. I remember reading a review for the Rat in the Cage album in the Baltimore City Paper from the mid/late? 90's
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:how terribly boring
I have a habit of uttering stupid phrases over and over. Some of them I even steal from other people.
Like when the Maz uttered "His foot was on the bag, Joe."
My wife comes up with some good ones too. She is always telling me she wants to "reconnect with your hairy balls."
Originally posted by sonickteam2:Apparently I am your age.
if you were my age (for Today) would hold fond memories for you.
Perhaps you could counter with some good Smashing Pumpkins lyrics? Well you could if there were some :p
Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:Apparently I am your age.
if you were my age (for Today) would hold fond memories for you.
Perhaps you could counter with some good Smashing Pumpkins lyrics? Well you could if there were some :)
Billy seems to agree with Markie, not Sonick.
And later this month, he'll hit the road for "Blinking with Fists," a book of poetry. Is there a difference between writing songs and writing poetry? "Totally different," Corgan told Armour & Co. "Let's just say you can sing dumb stuff in a song. It doesn't work like that with poetry."
And later this month, he'll hit the road for "Blinking with Fists," a book of poetry. Is there a difference between writing songs and writing poetry? "Totally different," Corgan told Armour & Co. "Let's just say you can sing dumb stuff in a song. It doesn't work like that with poetry."
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:how is that not agreeing with me? i never said one thing about the talent or lack thereof, of Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins, or anyone else!
Billy seems to agree with Markie, not Sonick.
And later this month, he'll hit the road for "Blinking with Fists," a book of poetry. Is there a difference between writing songs and writing poetry? "Totally different," Corgan told Armour & Co. "Let's just say you can sing dumb stuff in a song. It doesn't work like that with poetry."
in fact, if anything he DOES agree with me, i am the one who was stating that a good song does not need intense meaningful lyrics.
I'm sorry, it was only 6.8 million. Added it to his 3 million dollar condo.
————————————————-
Corgan pays $6.8 million for mansion on the lake
Posted by admin on January 22, 2004
Former Smashing Pumpkins and Zwan founder and solo rock star Billy Corgan has paid $6.8 million for an 18-room lakefront mansion in the northern suburbs that was designed by celebrated architect David Adler.
Built in 1926, the seven-bedroom Normandy chateau-style mansion sits on more than 6 acres and first was listed in 2000 for $11.9 million. It later was reduced to $9.5 million, then to $8.5 million and finally to $7.5 million before its sale.
The house has a music room, garden room, gallery, great hall, seven fireplaces and 6½ baths, French parquet flooring and Chinese wallpaper, according to listing information. The property has 354 feet of private beach.
The sellers had owned the mansion since 1946 and Corgan is only the home's third owner, according to listing agent Honore Frumentino of Koenig & Strey.
Corgan is no stranger to Adler's work, having paid $2.95 million in 2002 for a renovated, 3,500- square-foot, six-room, full-floor condo in an Adler-designed building on the North Side that once was a mansion. At that time, Corgan's tour manager and spokesman, Tim "Gooch" Lougee, confirmed that the singer-songwriter was staying at the condo but had intended to lease out the unit. It's not clear whether Corgan plans to reside in both homes.
The rocker previously lived in a Victorian painted lady on the North Side that he bought in 1993 for $455,000 and sold in 2000 for $1 million.
Corgan could not be reached for comment, and Lougee did not return a telephone call.
Frumentino, who would not confirm the buyer's identity, said, "The sellers are very, very thankful that they sold it to a passionate preservationist. They're pleased that the house will remain in all its glory and will remain intact."
Corgan's purchase price is the 10th highest for a home here, surpassed by:
â?¢ The $12 million sale of a lakefront house on the North Shore in 2000
â?¢ The $11.45 million sale of that same property in 2001
â?¢ Two $10 million-plus condo sales on the Gold Coast in 2002
â?¢ The $9.9 million purchase last year by Wm. Wrigley Jr. Co. CEO Bill Wrigley of a north suburban lakefront mansion
â?¢ The $9.5 million sale of former MarchFirst CEO Robert Bernard's North Side mansion in 2002
â?¢ An investment banker's $9.5 million purchase of a mansion in Winnetka in 2002
â?¢ The $8.5 million sale of a lakefront house in Wilmette in 2002
â?¢ The $7.95 million sale last summer of White Sox slugger Frank Thomas' west suburban mansion.
In addition, Corgan's purchase is the highest price on record that a celebrity has paid for a Chicago-area house, surpassing the $4.79 million author Scott Turow paid in 2001for a north suburban lakefront house.
However
————————————————-
Corgan pays $6.8 million for mansion on the lake
Posted by admin on January 22, 2004
Former Smashing Pumpkins and Zwan founder and solo rock star Billy Corgan has paid $6.8 million for an 18-room lakefront mansion in the northern suburbs that was designed by celebrated architect David Adler.
Built in 1926, the seven-bedroom Normandy chateau-style mansion sits on more than 6 acres and first was listed in 2000 for $11.9 million. It later was reduced to $9.5 million, then to $8.5 million and finally to $7.5 million before its sale.
The house has a music room, garden room, gallery, great hall, seven fireplaces and 6½ baths, French parquet flooring and Chinese wallpaper, according to listing information. The property has 354 feet of private beach.
The sellers had owned the mansion since 1946 and Corgan is only the home's third owner, according to listing agent Honore Frumentino of Koenig & Strey.
Corgan is no stranger to Adler's work, having paid $2.95 million in 2002 for a renovated, 3,500- square-foot, six-room, full-floor condo in an Adler-designed building on the North Side that once was a mansion. At that time, Corgan's tour manager and spokesman, Tim "Gooch" Lougee, confirmed that the singer-songwriter was staying at the condo but had intended to lease out the unit. It's not clear whether Corgan plans to reside in both homes.
The rocker previously lived in a Victorian painted lady on the North Side that he bought in 1993 for $455,000 and sold in 2000 for $1 million.
Corgan could not be reached for comment, and Lougee did not return a telephone call.
Frumentino, who would not confirm the buyer's identity, said, "The sellers are very, very thankful that they sold it to a passionate preservationist. They're pleased that the house will remain in all its glory and will remain intact."
Corgan's purchase price is the 10th highest for a home here, surpassed by:
â?¢ The $12 million sale of a lakefront house on the North Shore in 2000
â?¢ The $11.45 million sale of that same property in 2001
â?¢ Two $10 million-plus condo sales on the Gold Coast in 2002
â?¢ The $9.9 million purchase last year by Wm. Wrigley Jr. Co. CEO Bill Wrigley of a north suburban lakefront mansion
â?¢ The $9.5 million sale of former MarchFirst CEO Robert Bernard's North Side mansion in 2002
â?¢ An investment banker's $9.5 million purchase of a mansion in Winnetka in 2002
â?¢ The $8.5 million sale of a lakefront house in Wilmette in 2002
â?¢ The $7.95 million sale last summer of White Sox slugger Frank Thomas' west suburban mansion.
In addition, Corgan's purchase is the highest price on record that a celebrity has paid for a Chicago-area house, surpassing the $4.79 million author Scott Turow paid in 2001for a north suburban lakefront house.
However
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:now dont you feel stupid!!!
I'm sorry, it was only 6.8 million.
Yes, it looks like he made a good deal. Have to admire someone who diligently saves up for their down payment, and waits from the right deal. Way to go Billy!
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:now dont you feel stupid!!!
I'm sorry, it was only 6.8 million.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:yeah it also needs good music to go along with it…
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:how is that not agreeing with me? i never said one thing about the talent or lack thereof, of Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins, or anyone else!
Billy seems to agree with Markie, not Sonick.
And later this month, he'll hit the road for "Blinking with Fists," a book of poetry. Is there a difference between writing songs and writing poetry? "Totally different," Corgan told Armour & Co. "Let's just say you can sing dumb stuff in a song. It doesn't work like that with poetry."
in fact, if anything he DOES agree with me, i am the one who was stating that a good song does not need intense meaningful lyrics.
Perhaps you should take a cue from Corgan and purchase his financial planning book along with his poetry. You can then buy the manse in Great Falls that you've been drooling over.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Yes, it looks like he made a good deal. Have to admire someone who diligently saves up for their down payment, and waits from the right deal. Way to go Billy!
What modern day Chicago poet wrote this rune?
arrive slow keep driving
turn off your lights even
if it's well before sundown
keep the windows up locked
look at the outlines of wise men
two dimensional and flat
see the shepherds and of course
Jesus would be beautiful
this is the way of light
and we are here mid-day
we see the wires and plastic bulbs
the guts of light
and where the light would be shining
if it could be shining
if there was darkness
instead we idle almost
towards thousands of candles
a shrine unlit no flames
and a grotto of poured painted cement
where I assume people pray
so we can speed away then
arrive slow keep driving
turn off your lights even
if it's well before sundown
keep the windows up locked
look at the outlines of wise men
two dimensional and flat
see the shepherds and of course
Jesus would be beautiful
this is the way of light
and we are here mid-day
we see the wires and plastic bulbs
the guts of light
and where the light would be shining
if it could be shining
if there was darkness
instead we idle almost
towards thousands of candles
a shrine unlit no flames
and a grotto of poured painted cement
where I assume people pray
so we can speed away then
tweedy?