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Elliott Smith R.I.P.

mankie
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 05:17 PM UTC #
Originally posted by bunnyman:
Of course I am angry too Mankie…simply put, it's not fair to anyone, most of all his family, friends, and loved ones. The selfish side of me as a fan says it's not fair to me too…but on a basic human level, the real tragedy is that another person has fallen victim to depression, and depression should be treated like a disease because that is what it is. Some of us are survivors of it, and we were fortunate to have medication and effective therapy. But no person deserves to suffer. And just because they weren't strong enough to beat the disease it also doesn't mean they deserve what they got. A tragedy is a tragedy…there are no winners here, just loss.
Okay, this is opening a can of worms but here goes;

I've been there, wanted out, planned to go out. The details are unimportant, but basically I changed my mind at the last minute when I came to the realization it's better I live the rest of my life in total misery than take my own life to end MY pain but leave my family in the same situation because of my selfish actions.

That's it…(changing subject)Arsenal lost last night,WOOOOOO-HOOOOOO!
bunnyman
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 05:31 PM UTC #
Mankie, I've been there too…and I'm real sorry to hear that you know what it's like. I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. I find that even now I have good days and bad days, but fortunately that is the power of music…it can touch our lives in ways that we could have never imagined possible, it gives us the strength when we didn't know we had it in ourselves.
vansmack
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 05:36 PM UTC #
Originally posted by mankie:

That's it…
I, for one, am glad you're still here Mank.
markie
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 05:40 PM UTC #
Originally posted by mankie:
it's better I live the rest of my life in total misery
Ah, the trials and tribulations of a beautiful south fan…..

Did you ever think you would end up happy and have a job to make young boys so jealous?
PR_GMR
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 05:51 PM UTC #
Very sad. Can't say I was a big fan of his work.. but heard some of it. It's always sad to me to see a person being overtaken by his demons and take his own life. :(
mankie
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 06:06 PM UTC #
Thanks smackie…me too! :D

Bunnyman, you're exactly right, after I decided I couldn't let my family down I relied heavily on music (and Boddingtons!) Glad you made the hard but right choice too by the way.

mar…Blankie, I sometimes actually feel guilty when I realize how great my life is these days when there's a million poor souls out there hurting like I was.

BTW we have the following cars right here in the showroom for our party tonight.

288 GTO, F40, F50 and Enzo

The likelyhood of seeing those cars together under the same roof is damn near impossible, but here they are.

We also have a Maserati Quattroporte, which is probably the most beautiful car I've ever seen, honestly.
markie
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 06:09 PM UTC #
288 GTO, F40, F50 and Enzo

Care to let me know where you leave the keys?

Those cars are worth more than I will ever earn, what a bummer.
mankie
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 06:23 PM UTC #
Originally posted by BLANK:
288 GTO, F40, F50 and Enzo

Care to let me know where you leave the keys?

Those cars are worth more than I will ever earn, what a bummer.
Probably more than all the board members combined will ever earn, as long as you don't include GGW! ;)
PR_GMR
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 06:27 PM UTC #
Probably more than all the board members combined will ever earn, as long as you don't include GGW!
Is GGW filthy rich or something? Does he own the 9:30 club? :cool:
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 06:28 PM UTC #
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by mankie:

That's it…
I, for one, am glad you're still here Mank.
I'm glad your still her Mank also, if it werent for you then i would be the butt of all jokes when it comes to 80's music. ;)
bunnyman
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 06:30 PM UTC #
288 GTO? Wow…I think that's my fave to be honest!
mankie
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 06:40 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Guiny:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by mankie:

That's it…
I, for one, am glad you're still here Mank.
I'm glad your still her Mank also, if it werent for you then i would be the butt of all jokes when it comes to 80's music. :D
ggw
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 06:43 PM UTC #
Don't expect me to get all sappy, old man.


How much would a Quattroporte set me back?
mankie
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 06:59 PM UTC #
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Don't expect me to get all sappy, old man.


How much would a Quattroporte set me back?
Just under $100k optioned out. $5k deposit will reserve one for you…..will that be cash, check or charge Mr. GGW?
ggw
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 07:17 PM UTC #
It's a beautiful car…..
Fico
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 08:32 PM UTC #
Yes depression played a huge part but I'm suprised nobody has mentioned the trigger: his chemical addiction mainly heroin. You would think by now does drugs would be passé but I guess it's cool to become a cliché… I can't understand how people get into it.. have we learned nothing after Seattle, Britpop and Sid?
chaz
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 08:59 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Fico:
Yes depression played a huge part but I'm suprised nobody has mentioned the trigger: his chemical addiction mainly heroin. You would think by now does drugs would be passé but I guess it's cool to become a cliché… I can't understand how people get into it.. have we learned nothing after Seattle, Britpop and Sid?
Yer right…if not for the drugs E. Smith may very well still be among us, but…

I don't necessarily think everyone gets into drugs cuz they think they're 'cool' or whatever…sure they are sort of a fixture in pop culture to some degree and that certainly increases the prevalance in society….I think many get into them cuz they are depressed and at first the drugs help with feelingss of isolation, lonliness etc. And let's face it - they feel good. Of course the drugs stop working in this capacity after time and instead of self-medicating some sort of psychic pain you wind up feeding a bona-fide habit, which compounded with the pre-existing feelings of isolation and lonliness…..

You get the picture.

Drug abuse ( ie not in moderation) = bad

Depression and general untreated mental illness = bad

Drug abuse + untreated mental illness = powder keg ready to explode.

But back to your origional point, it is amazing folks get into them when we have so many examples like you said.
SPARX
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Re: Elliott Smith R.I.P. October 22, 2003 at 09:06 PM UTC #
Originally posted by chaz:
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Yer right…if not for the drugs E. Smith may very well still be among us, but…

I don't necessarily think everyone gets into drugs cuz they think they're 'cool' or whatever…sure they are sort of a fixture in pop culture to some degree and that certainly increases the prevalance in society….I think many get into them cuz they are depressed and at first the drugs help with feelingss of isolation, lonliness etc. And let's face it - they feel good. Of course the drugs stop working in this capacity after time and instead of self-medicating some sort of psychic pain you wind up feeding a bona-fide habit, which compounded with the pre-existing feelings of isolation and lonliness…..

You get the picture.

Drug abuse ( ie not in moderation) = bad

Depression and general untreated mental illness = bad

Drug abuse + untreated mental illness = powder keg ready to explode.

[/QB] Well stated,I wholeheartedly concur.And for the record,kicking the habit is not an easy thing to do,and almost imposssible without love and much support of those close to the one addicted.
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