Ikarus
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prison sex
January 15, 2005 at 09:34 AM UTC
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why does the treatment of prisoners at guantanamo bay and abu gharib warrent attention that is never bestowed upon americans in correction facilities?
i mean, its not like any of those dudes are gonna be released into the general population of this country…
walkonby
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Re: prison sex
January 15, 2005 at 06:28 PM UTC
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why do we care about prisoners at all; they commit crimes . . . remember???
go watch Oz, if you want to see some prison time.
Sir HC
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Re: prison sex
January 15, 2005 at 06:36 PM UTC
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Read the book "Shit Magnet" by Jim Goad if you want to know of the hell in US prisons and why we send people there. Really intense reading. Also great if you want an empty seat next to you on the subway or a plane.
andyrichter
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Re: prison sex
January 15, 2005 at 07:15 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Read the book "Shit Magnet" by Jim Goad if you want to know of the hell in US prisons and why we send people there. Really intense reading. Also great if you want an empty seat next to you on the subway or a plane.
I've seen American Me. I don't need to know any more about men raping men in prison.
Doctor Doom
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Re: prison sex
January 15, 2005 at 11:12 PM UTC
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Originally posted by likorice:
why does the treatment of prisoners at guantanamo bay and abu gharib warrent attention that is never bestowed upon americans in correction facilities?
i mean, its not like any of those dudes are gonna be released into the general population of this country…
maybe because we invaded Iraq pretending that we were going to give Iraqis a better life than they had under Sodom?
lionforce5
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Re: prison sex
January 16, 2005 at 05:38 AM UTC
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It's "Saddam," or was your misspelling intentional? (Although I'm sure that there are those in the Government and country who did feel that Iraq was a Sodom that needed to be "purified" in the biblical sense.)
Doctor Doom
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Re: prison sex
January 17, 2005 at 01:09 AM UTC
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I'm sure it's no coincidence that Charles Graner worked in corrections back here in the states before going to Iraq. I'm sure there are abuse stories just waiting to come out from that part of his life, too.
hitman
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Re: prison sex
January 17, 2005 at 07:21 AM UTC
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The problem is that the US made such a big deal out of the "we're better than they are" argument and that "we were going to give them freedom", that these pictures and such put that to bed. So then it becomes a big news story.
No matter what, there are atrocities in the American prison system. However, prisoners aren't necessarily getting beaten for information and such, they were they are/were in Iraq and Gitmo. Most of the atrocities in American prisons are comitted inmate against inmate.
I acutally feel that these guards/military personnel that are going to jail are being made scape goats. I can't believe that in today's society, in today's military, that underlings can be so cavalier in their attitudes/approaches to accomplish something like this, without any orders from the top. I'm sure they had orders to interrogate the piss out of these people in hopes to get information on the infamous disappearing WMD's (that were never found), and to do it by any means necessary. Now they are getting fucked, and will become prisoners themselves. I'm not saying their right, and shouldn't suffer some punishment, but so should the people above them as well.
lwoxley
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Re: prison sex
January 17, 2005 at 10:29 AM UTC
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Look at the prisons in Texas, Iraq and Gitmo….all have the same gaffer. Coincidence?????
The military personell who are going to prison for actually doing the abusing deserve to rot in jail. Speaking as an ex-military (10+ years) member, this "I was only taking orders" shit only goes so far. I would rather have been court marshalled for disobeying a direct order than doing what they did to those people. And can you imagine ever actually getting proscecuted for it? "So, what order did you disobey?" "Well…………….
They impeached Clinton for getting a blowjob, but this fucker gets away with murder…..literally!
Guiny
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Re: prison sex
January 17, 2005 at 01:20 PM UTC
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Well I honestly have no sympathy for any insurgent that gets humiliated or slightly tortured when the results of our prisoners are beheadings. Ten years in prison is too long for following orders, I agree mostly of what Mankie said, but from experience, disobeying a lawful order isn't as easy as saying "no" when their are probably more than one person ordering you to do it.
Sir HC
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Re: prison sex
January 17, 2005 at 02:22 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Well I honestly have no sympathy for any insurgent that gets humiliated or slightly tortured when the results of our prisoners are beheadings. Ten years in prison is too long for following orders, I agree mostly of what Mankie said, but from experience, disobeying a lawful order isn't as easy as saying "no" when their are probably more than one person ordering you to do it.
It wasn't insurgents that they were doing this to. It was random Iraqis pulled off the streets.
This guy's parents had a good comment, he would have been arrested for not following orders too. So he could not win.
Guiny
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Re: prison sex
January 17, 2005 at 02:42 PM UTC
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Yup, he was in a no win situation.
Sir HC
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Re: prison sex
January 17, 2005 at 06:43 PM UTC
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Look at the prisons in Texas, Iraq and Gitmo….all have the same gaffer. Coincidence?????
The military personell who are going to prison for actually doing the abusing deserve to rot in jail. Speaking as an ex-military (10+ years) member, this "I was only taking orders" shit only goes so far. I would rather have been court marshalled for disobeying a direct order than doing what they did to those people. And can you imagine ever actually getting proscecuted for it? "So, what order did you disobey?" "Well…………….
They impeached Clinton for getting a blowjob, but this fucker gets away with murder…..literally!
The problem is that according to the White House Council what they did probably was not torture. I guess that would have been the defense that I would have taken.
Sir HC
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Re: prison sex
January 17, 2005 at 08:26 PM UTC
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Originally posted by j_lee:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
The problem is that according to the White House Council what they did probably was not torture.
It was probably humiliation not torture.
Being anally raped with a broomstick is only humiliation in your eyes? [/QB]
I think Roberto is hanging on this board somewhere…
nkotb
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Re: prison sex
January 17, 2005 at 08:30 PM UTC
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Rob was definitely embarrassed when it happened to him in boot camp.
Originally posted by j_lee:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
The problem is that according to the White House Council what they did probably was not torture.
It was probably humiliation not torture.
Being anally raped with a broomstick is only humiliation in your eyes? [/QB]