ratioci nation
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 08:23 AM UTC
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this pretty much summed up for me what was wrong with what went down at the city council
In several interviews, Cropp acknowledged blindsiding the mayor, her council colleagues and even members of her staff with the amendment, which required that half of the cost of the ballpark come from private financing. She said she drafted it late in the day, "as I listened to the debate, and the concerns I've had over the past couple of months kind of percolated."
she drafted it on a whim
helicon1
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 12:40 PM UTC
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I'm surprised no one has posted a picture of a fat cat. So without further ado….
<img src="
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kosmo
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 12:55 PM UTC
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a couple of thoughts… is the infrastructure really able to handle that many cars on game day? imagine the wilson bridge with all those extra cars trying to get to the game.
do they think people would rather watch a potential average baseball team play then go to the beach on the weekend during the summer?
ratioci nation
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 01:39 PM UTC
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
a couple of thoughts… is the infrastructure really able to handle that many cars on game day? imagine the wilson bridge with all those extra cars trying to get to the game.
do they think people would rather watch a potential average baseball team play then go to the beach on the weekend during the summer?
half the cost is for infrastructure changes
and the second question could be asked about any team
bit late in the process for those kinds of questions
keithstg
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 02:03 PM UTC
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
a couple of thoughts… is the infrastructure really able to handle that many cars on game day? imagine the wilson bridge with all those extra cars trying to get to the game.
do they think people would rather watch a potential average baseball team play then go to the beach on the weekend during the summer?
As for question 1, see the MCI Center and Skins traffic. I don't think it'll be any different.
And 2, Baltimore has a below average team and still draws upwards of 2 million people a year. The Nationals will easily better that their first two seasons alone, regardless of record, so yes, between 2 and 3 million people would rather watch baseball than go to the beach.
godsshoeshine
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 02:32 PM UTC
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i would imagine alot of people would metro to games. i live in nova, and that's what i would do, and currently do for mci
hitman
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 04:53 PM UTC
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no matter what, if this deal falls through, which is highly likely the way it seems now…then DC will never get the chance at baseball again, and basically have the city council, namely Cropp to blame. I guess DC was never meant to have baseball. This will be either the 3rd or 4th time they've screwed the pooch.
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 05:03 PM UTC
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my guess … cropp will realise her mistake and cave in at tuesday's meeting …
that said, pro-baseball DC residents should call her office and let her know how you feel, there was a post article today or yesterday that said all the pro-baseball calls she's gotten have been suburban and all the anti-baseball have been DC
ratioci nation
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 05:08 PM UTC
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
that said, pro-baseball DC residents should call her office and let her know how you feel
They arent answering their phones, I called earlier and left a nice message though
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 05:09 PM UTC
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Linda Cropp
Phone: (202)724-8032
Fax: (202)724-8085
ratioci nation
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 05:11 PM UTC
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Linda Cropp
Phone: (202)724-8032
Fax: (202)724-8085
yeah thats where I called, I am sure the phone is ringing off the hook
also try
lcropp@dccouncil.us
ratioci nation
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 05:17 PM UTC
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
there was a post article today or yesterday that said all the pro-baseball calls she's gotten have been suburban and all the anti-baseball have been DC
its nice to see that all the people who make their money in dc but pay their taxes to maryland or virginia want to come give some back to dc, what a concept
mustourdman
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 08:34 PM UTC
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I'd be interested in hearing (honest) headcounts of the opinions of everyone's friends, neighbors, and co-workers. I've been keeping track, and know only 1 person who is an actual DC resident (out of maybe 20 I've spoken with) who's with the mayor on this.
With suburbanites I've spoken with, it's about 75/25 supporting the mayor.
Even though my informal poll shows 95% support for Cropp, I think if any actual numbers come out that show, say, less than a supermajority (60%) support her, she'll back down by the Tuesday vote.
It will be interesting to see if MLB offers even any token concessions in a last-minute deal, like giving the city a 10% cut of the naming rights to the staidum, or if the uproar coming from the local sports columnists and suburbanites emboldens them to make the city come crawling back to them.
sonickteam2
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 08:42 PM UTC
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didnt MLB realize that, like everything else in Washington, this team thing was going to be a long, painful and ridiculous process?
what country are they from?
when has anything in Washington been swift and easy?
Guiny
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 08:45 PM UTC
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From what I hear MLB doesnt care if there is a team or not In DC cause in 2006 two teams are going to be gone anyways and each of the remaining teams will profit from it. So MLB probably isnt gonna budge one bit.
keithstg
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 08:56 PM UTC
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Originally posted by mustourdman:
I'd be interested in hearing (honest) headcounts of the opinions of everyone's friends, neighbors, and co-workers. I've been keeping track, and know only 1 person who is an actual DC resident (out of maybe 20 I've spoken with) who's with the mayor on this.
In my office, myself (DC resident) and five coworkers who are DC residents are all adamantly with the mayor on this issue.
ratioci nation
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 09:00 PM UTC
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Doctor Doom
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Re: No Baseball in DC?
December 16, 2004 at 09:11 PM UTC
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it's a well known fact that suburbanites who come into cities for sports events arrive leave immediately afterwards, and spend little to no time spending money in the city. So, another specious argument debunked. Next.