Originally posted by Harriet Balls:All that being said, (and I agree), I think the point has been missed - what one does for sexual gratification is quite a different matter than what one does for emotional fulfilment. I don't know any bisexuals who have the same number of relationships with both sexes - even if they'd just as soon hook up with a guy as a girl. With that in mind, I'd argue that sexual orientation cannot be socialized - we are born a certain way, but with what I would consider to be varying degrees of flexibility.
Originally posted by mankie:hello!
I think women have a stronger tendency to be bisexual…men are more black and white on the issue, for the most part.
that's because of the socialization…in our culture, it's OK for women to be touchy-feely with people…including other women…women are "pretty"…women are objectified much more in media for both men and women…that is why…it's nothing inherent…in ancient Greece, most of the scholars were bi, weren't they? they procreated with the women, but they had sex with other men for pleasure and camraderie…it's totally cultural
gay marriage
What you said makes sense…varying degrees of flexibility, yes…and the difference between sexual and emotional fulfillment.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:which is why I'm so strongly in favor of gay marriage - I can't think of a better way to emphasize the importance of emotional fulfilment in a relationship.
and the difference between sexual and emotional fulfillment.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:My point was that you were basically saying we're all the same, but some have a willy and some a hoo-ha and boobies, then depending on our socialization we decide if we're going straight, bi or gay….my point was simply that we are very different even before socialization can have an impact….a bad example with the doll/truck I admit, but it was just to make the point.
Originally posted by mankie:what does playing with dolls or trucks have to do with emotional makeup or sexuality…plenty of gay or bi guys are just as "masculine" on the outside…and I chose mainly stuffed animals when I was a kid…what does that make me, I wonder? a "Furry"? I do like my men hairy
It has nothing to do with socialization, it has everything to do with emotional make up of the sexes…why is it little girls immediately start to play with baby dolls and boys with trucks before there's been a chance to "socialize" them as you say?
Your stuffed animal example is also a bad one because I would say that is an animal lover thing not a sexual thing. You'll find many little boys who will love a teddy bear but not a doll. That's like saying I'm gay because I hug and kiss my 15 month old son.
Originally posted by walkie hearts you all:I agree there should be civil gay marraiges, if for no other reason than they gays should be given the same spousal rights as everyone else, but I also think each religion should be left to make it's own decision on wether they want to perform gay marraiges. And no I'm not religious whatsoever.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:which is why I'm so strongly in favor of gay marriage - I can't think of a better way to emphasize the importance of emotional fulfilment in a relationship.
and the difference between sexual and emotional fulfillment.
I was joking about the stuffed animal…and I don't think we're "all the same" men and women…I still think that many more men would be bisexual if they received the same societal encouragement women do. My attraction to women, when I have it, is not at all emotional and is purely sexual…so it's not really an emotional thing. Maybe that's what differentiates the bi's who want to just play with people of their own gender from the gays who want a relationship and a life with someone of their own gender.
I'd never want an intense relationship with a woman…women are such a pain in the ass : )
I'd never want an intense relationship with a woman…women are such a pain in the ass : )
Originally posted by mankie:I agree with you on all counts here. Religions can do what they want. For example, I never understood gays who wanted to be Catholic…why be Catholic if you're gay and they traditionally prohibit that? Just be something else, or make up your own thing…
I agree there should be civil gay marraiges, if for no other reason than they gays should be given the same spousal rights as everyone else, but I also think each religion should be left to make it's own decision on wether they want to perform gay marraiges. And no I'm not religious whatsoever.
Truer words were never spoken.
But sometimes pains in the ass can be pleasureable.
Just make sure you use lots of lube.
But sometimes pains in the ass can be pleasureable.
Just make sure you use lots of lube.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
I'd never want an intense relationship with a woman…women are such a pain in the ass : )
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:And you guys give Samantha a hard time about her content.Pot,kettle,kettle,pot ;)
Truer words were never spoken.
But sometimes pains in the ass can be pleasureable.
Just make sure you use lots of lube.
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:yeah? you'll be lubing yourself up after that comment!
Truer words were never spoken.
But sometimes pains in the ass can be pleasureable.
Just make sure you use lots of lube.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
I'd never want an intense relationship with a woman…women are such a pain in the ass : )
I don't see what's wrong with having gay marriages. It doesn't affect anyone except the people who are getting married. Most gay couples aren't going to go around screaming about how they're married, anyway. It technically has nothing to do with anyone else, or at least I think it doesn't.
Originally posted by mankie:I agree with that completely. If the Roman Catholic church will not perform that marriage, become Episcopal or Unitarian. And that's why the government has no say. Back to the Constitution and all….
but I also think each religion should be left to make it's own decision on wether they want to perform gay marraiges. And no I'm not religious whatsoever.
Alas, the marriage has to be recognized by the state for all those rights to convey….
Originally posted by Bags:Beware of Protestantism. Have you ever heard a Catholic say that God talks directly to him? God hasn't spoken directly to man for over 2000+ years.
I agree with that completely. If the Roman Catholic church will not perform that marriage, become Episcopal or Unitarian.
But apparently He talks frequently to George W. Bush, Pat, Robertson, Bob Jones and numerous other Protestant nutters. God doesn't speak directly to the pope, but He does to George W. Bush, go figure..?
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Bags:Ahh,that explains it,he's been hearing voices.Shame they don't tell him to get a clue!
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But apparently He talks frequently to George W. Bush, Pat, Robertson, Bob Jones and numerous other Protestant nutters. God doesn't speak directly to the pope, but He does to George W. Bush, go figure..?
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:That's because the Catholic church wants to ensure that man needs it to connect to God. Total B.S. I'm basically a humanist, but if I had to weigh pros and cons of different religious doctrines, I certainly wouldn't buy into a religion that requires I have another human, or saint, be an intermediary between me and God
Beware of Protestantism. Have you ever heard a Catholic say that God talks directly to him? God hasn't spoken directly to man for over 2000+ years.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:amen.
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:That's because the Catholic church wants to ensure that man needs it to connect to God. Total B.S. I'm basically a humanist, but if I had to weigh pros and cons of different religious doctrines, I certainly wouldn't buy into a religion that requires I have another human, or saint, be an intermediary between me and God
Beware of Protestantism. Have you ever heard a Catholic say that God talks directly to him? God hasn't spoken directly to man for over 2000+ years.
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:Well, that's why I suggested Episcopal or Unitarian. God doesn't speak to them….not directly, at least!
Originally posted by Bags:Beware of Protestantism. Have you ever heard a Catholic say that God talks directly to him? God hasn't spoken directly to man for over 2000+ years.
I agree with that completely. If the Roman Catholic church will not perform that marriage, become Episcopal or Unitarian.
But apparently He talks frequently to George W. Bush, Pat, Robertson, Bob Jones and numerous other Protestant nutters. God doesn't speak directly to the pope, but He does to George W. Bush, go figure..?
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:Cool your jets, Ms.Balls! I'm merely stating that to leap from one branch of X-ianity to another is pure tomfoolery. Looking for "The Answer" in any house of worship is ridiculousness personified. One would be better fufilled spiritually beating-off in the back row of a Mel Gibson movie.
That's because the Catholic church wants to ensure that man needs it to connect to God. Total B.S. I'm basically a humanist, but if I had to weigh pros and cons of different religious doctrines, I certainly wouldn't buy into a religion that requires I have another human, or saint, be an intermediary between me and God
From Catholic to Protestant is from bad to worse. The only tasteful thing the Protestants have ever done is handle snakes & drink arsenic. If you desire a Christian religion with decorum, then may I suggest Russian Orthodox. The ornamentation is simply splendiferous. Iconography trumps even Michaelangelo in terms of good taste. I always thought the Italian masters were a bit too ostentatious. You?
As to homos? Well, according to the father of sociobioloigy, E.O.Wilson, altruistic genes are scattered throught the population. So one needn't neccessarily be a limp wristed, lisping ass-pirate to further the cause of fagness. One could even be a Bush votin', gun totin', bible thumpin' homo-hater and still be carrying those same altruistic genes. Stop worrying. A gay future is assured.
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:Didn't you know that God hates Catholics because their priests are all pedeophile fags, that's why he doesn't talk to them….he told me so himself because I'm proddie-dog.
Originally posted by Bags:Beware of Protestantism. Have you ever heard a Catholic say that God talks directly to him? God hasn't spoken directly to man for over 2000+ years.
I agree with that completely. If the Roman Catholic church will not perform that marriage, become Episcopal or Unitarian.
But apparently He talks frequently to George W. Bush, Pat, Robertson, Bob Jones and numerous other Protestant nutters. God doesn't speak directly to the pope, but He does to George W. Bush, go figure..?
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