gay marriage

Here's a chance to fight back against the right-wing! Read the text below and vote in the poll…
also copy and paste the text below to as many people and boards as possible :D


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Want to annoy the (antigay) American Family Association? They are conducting an online poll about gay marriage, and plan to show their results to Congress. When I took it, it said 93% oppose same-sex marriage and civil unions, and that 3% are in favor. Of course, it begs the question, who are they polling? Well, some friends and I decided we needed some OTHER input.

Go here: http://www.marriagepoll.com

Help us skew their results! It takes a few seconds of your time. Send it to your friends! Heh heh - now it's down to 85%. :-)

[editor's note - now it's down to 78 percent.. bahaha]

if anyone's voted, just be aware that the poll now shows only 51 percent opposed to gay marriage :D

just a few more votes to make it a minority :D

It gets worse, not better. Aren't Republicans in the party of "less government, less interference." I won't even rant, because I'll boil over and y'all have heard it before.

BUT, a constitutional amendment is not intended to be used like legislation….this is supposed to be unchangeable and steadfast over time. Our (as in everyone's) *basic* tenets. In some ways, I really hate America. Maybe they should add some language on the transfer of property and dowries in the marriage amendment. Those were the basic underpinnings of marriage not so long ago….

I only see a poll to boycott MTV…which I'm tempted to simply because it's garbage with all that real world shit on it.

I don't see a poll about gay marraige? Excuse my stupidity….or have they realized what's going on and yanked it off the site?

I just see a petition which is against gay marraige so not really a poll.

Originally posted by mankie:
I only see a poll to boycott MTV…which I'm tempted to simply because it's garbage with all that real world shit on it.

I don't see a poll about gay marraige? Excuse my stupidity….or have they realized what's going on and yanked it off the site?

I just see a petition which is against gay marraige so not really a poll.

The poll is over. Word got out about it and the pro-gay-marriage folks took over. The end results overwhelmingly favored gay marriage.

:D

Originally posted by Skeeter:

Originally posted by mankie:
I only see a poll to boycott MTV…which I'm tempted to simply because it's garbage with all that real world shit on it.

I don't see a poll about gay marraige? Excuse my stupidity….or have they realized what's going on and yanked it off the site?

I just see a petition which is against gay marraige so not really a poll.

The poll is over. Word got out about it and the pro-gay-marriage folks took over. The end results overwhelmingly favored gay marriage.

:D

I realize nobody cares, but a similar thing happened during the rugby world cup….the Aussies put up a poll about wether England deserved to beat France and how the England performance was…word got out in England so they took the poll over…the only difference was the Aussies were too stooooopid to realize what was going on so kept the poll online. It ended up that 97% of those who took the poll were behind England.

By the way, today Bush officially asked Congress to "protect" the institution of marriage by passing a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

Washington Blade story

The link in my post is for the CNN story on f*ckin' Bush's statements…

look at some of the recent g.o.p. pet amendments: no flag burning, balanced budget, gay marriage. clearly the most important issues of the times. it'll die, and they'll try to outlaw the letter x or something

The thought of a GOP sponsored "balanced budget ammendment" is quite humorous. Why aren't the Dems bringing this point up?

As is the fact that Republicans wanted to eliminated the Department of Education under Clinton and now the department has more power than ever before.

THought this was funny as well (from the Daily Mislead):

President Bush, attempting to obscure his record as the worst economic steward since Herbert Hoover, has become so desperate that he is exploring ways to manipulate statistics. Just days after Bush reneged on his pledge to create 2.6 million jobs and said with a straight face that "5.6% unemployment is a good national number," the New York Times uncovered a White House report showing that the president is considering re-classifying low-paid fast food jobs as "manufacturing jobs" as a way to hide the massive manufacturing job losses that have occurred during his term.

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
The thought of a GOP sponsored "balanced budget ammendment" is quite humorous. Why aren't the Dems bringing this point up?

the dems won't bring it up because to have a balanced budget will mean to a) raise taxes or b) cut govt. services. i doubt their constituency will support either of those options. the gop balanced budget amendment in the mid-90s was to get clinton to stop spending money on a list of projects, and cut govt. spending (i.e., waste). these days, that cuts both ways as certain conservatives (i.e., economic) want govt. spending cut to lower the deficit, and other conservatives (i.e., hawks and social) don't care what's spent as long it's something they support.

this whole thing is why i hate the state republican parties. . .social conservatives have taken over the gop, and generally muscle out more moderate voices.

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
"5.6% unemployment is a good national number,"

Average U.S. Unemployment Rate (From http://www.bls.gov)

Last 50 Years - 5.83%
Last 40 Years - 5.93%
Last 30 Years - 6.39%
Last 20 Years - 5.84%

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

this whole thing is why i hate the state republican parties. . .social conservatives have taken over the gop, and generally muscle out more moderate voices.

Absolutely right. Seems like there aren't many moderate GOP voices to be heard nowadays. I suppose it's too late for a Lamar Alexander comeback…

Originally posted by keithstg:
I suppose it's too late for a Lamar Alexander comeback…

Flannel is sooooooo '90s

Originally posted by keithstg:
Absolutely right. Seems like there aren't many moderate GOP voices to be heard nowadays. I suppose it's too late for a Lamar Alexander comeback…

i hear he's tearing things up in the senate these days.

ggw, I took no issue with the unemployment rate…thanks for the stats.

I simply thought shifting fast food jobs into the manufacturing sector was pathetic.

I think we need to come to terms with higher unemployment rates…that is the cost of efficiency. The talk of pushing the retirement age back will only add to the problem.

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
I simply thought shifting fast food jobs into the manufacturing sector was pathetic.

It is kind of pathetic. But the Democrats have made manufacturing job loss under Bush a campaign platform, conveniently ignoring the fact that manufacturing jobs have been declining steadily since the late-1960s. We just aren't a manufacturing nation anymore, we are a service economy.

Over the long term, productivity in manufacturing has increased at a consistently strong pace, so sales would have needed to expand even faster for employment to show any gains. But the growth in demand for manufactured goods has not kept pace with the growth in productivity, as consumers continue to devote more of their spending to services instead of goods. In addition, U.S. manufacturers have faced competition from countries where businesses face lower compensation costs. Finally, the downward trend is in part a statistical artifact: manufacturers are increasingly using contract and temporary labor, which provides jobs that, in the past, would have shown up in the statistics as manufacturing employment but now do not.

Unfortunately, politicians do pathetic things like reclassifying workers so that everything fits into neat little soundbites and nobody has to think about the more complicated issues underlying.

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
I think we need to come to terms with higher unemployment rates…that is the cost of efficiency. The talk of pushing the retirement age back will only add to the problem.

actually, unemployment rates are staid or slightly higher precisely because of efficiency. i believe that productivity rates are consistently high and/or increasing despite the lack of job growth throughout the employment sectors. that's why there's been all this talk about the jobless recovery. . .the current workforce has been able to handle the increased workload in the same amount of time before, due to efficiencies in the work place.

as a nonchristian, its really hard for me to vote for a republican due to the national party's pandering to these groups. i may be a hardcore civil libertarian, but i am much more open to fiscal policy. i would have voted for mccain over gore (still say johnny would have trounced al) though.

the equal rights amendment didn't get passed, so lets just exclude more people while were at it.