why are american's so repressed?

Well I still get money from my parents occasionally and I am 31.

Its better that they give me some money than I despise them and go and get someone to kill them to reap the rewards.

Mankie, I think you have to be careful not to sound like my uncle. He said about his school, " If it was good enough for me, its good enough for my offspring". Not to denegrate my two cousins, but one works on a farm, the other a market stall. They both live 2 miles from home.

I am very proud of my parents for giving me the opportunities they did. They have been great. But also I am sure that they are proud of me and my acheivements. I had opportunities that they wish they had had. But I think they realise, to my credit, that I always worked hard and never let an opportunity slip from my grasp.

In the UK a much higher percentage of people go on to A-levels and University than they did when you left school. If you are well off and dont help pay for undergrad your children will despise you. I know because I had friends in that position and they just dreamed of theior parents dying. That is not a good way to be. My parents paid my rent and gave me 40 pounds a week whilst I was doing my undergrad. They refused to let me get loans or credit. I figure over those 4 years I cost them a new C-class Merc. I dont think they begrudge me it, too much.

Children who despise their parents because they didn't pay for college are the spongers I'm talking about, and if your cousins had any drive or determination they would've done it themselves.

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
nevertheless, i completely agree that it is encumbent upon the student to study hard in order to get one's money's worth…

encumbent?
too bad they don't teach spelling in college
:)

ha ha…just busting your balls

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
so, it's more about how the student looks at studying and learning than the teachers? well, then what was point of all those figures you posted earlier? are not those based on quality of teaching, not necessarily the quality of the students?

In reading briefly about the methodology for the ratings, it seems based on incoming student factors, school research factors (ie grants), student/faculty ratios, graduation rates and GPA's, etc. which doesn't say as much for the teaching as it does of the learning.
Anyway, the Univ. of MD is a good education for a state school.

Originally posted by mankie:
Children who despise their parents because they didn't pay for college are the spongers I'm talking about, and if your cousins had any drive or determination they would've done it themselves.

In the UK it used to be the case that if you were from a poor family you got a student grant (now loan). If you were Ok off you got no grant. If your parents were well off the state expected them to pay for you. I know people whose parents were well off got no grant and whose parents would not pay anything. That was not a good situation to be in.

My cousins went to a crap school. If they had gone to the school I went to I have no doubts that they would of had higher aspirations. You were just expected to do something good.


But its pointless arguing with you. Therefor, I concede. You are right. I wish I worked on a farm and I hope that your offspring enjoy shoveling shit and driving tractor.

Originally posted by Celestial Balls:

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
nevertheless, i completely agree that it is encumbent upon the student to study hard in order to get one's money's worth…

encumbent?
too bad they don't teach spelling in college
:)

ha ha…just busting your balls

no worries. . .for some reason i thought it was spelled that way when talking about an obligation. i know that a politician in office is spelled incumbent.

Why do you feel the need to still take money from your parents, even at 31 with a PHD in hand? You can always say "No".

I've never understood why people would want to do that.


And no, I'm not asking in a judgemental tone, just never understood why people would do that.

[/qb]In reading briefly about the methodology for the ratings, it seems based on incoming student factors, school research factors (ie grants), student/faculty ratios, graduation rates and GPA's, etc. which doesn't say as much for the teaching as it does of the learning.
Anyway, the Univ. of MD is a good education for a state school. [/QB]

U of MD. is a frigging joke. 17th out of public universities isn't anything to be proud about, really. It's underfunded, over attended, and it's undergraduate programs are mostly below average.

Originally posted by keithstg:
U of MD. is a frigging joke.

hardly

Originally posted by pollard:

Originally posted by keithstg:
U of MD. is a frigging joke.

hardly

For undergrad, it's probably the 4th or 5th best public school in this region. That's all.

Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:

Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:

Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:

Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
You just keep right on believing that, Mr.Educated, and aim high!

You are right. You come up with a better rating system (besides the aura of Ivy league - didn't Bush go to an Ivy League school?) and I will be happy to read it.
Love,
Mr. Educated (and Athletic)

Then enlighten us with your knowledge, O learned one. What wisdom can you impart besides posting to bboards and quoting Newsweeklies?

Leave your comic book store one night and meet me at the club and I will be happy to discuss the principles of engineering with you over a beer. I never claimed to know everything but I am certainly educated in my field, regardles of not attending Harvard or Yale - which was my original point. After the beer we can arm wrestle or have a discussion about posting pictures of Osama entitled "Santas little Helper" - your choice.

But, aside from picking barfights on bboards with strangers, and bemoaning the fact that you didn't attend Harvard engineering school(Is Harvard even known for their sterling engineering curricula?), DO you CLAIM to indeed 'know something' about…"Principles of Engineering &/or Arm Wrestling", as I believe you referred to it. And does this knowledge constitute an education according to your worldview?

Despite, your pronouncement of not having attended the Yale or Harvard engineering program DO YOU still consider yourself to be an "Educated" man?

Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Why do you feel the need to still take money from your parents

I went 6 weeks without being able to get paid and I needed to get a car. The insurance for which was $1k for 6months. I could have struggled by, but they always promised to help buy a car one day. First car at 31…… I think the time had come.

I am sure when it is time to buy a property that they will help too.

Originally posted by mark e smith:

Originally posted by mankie:
Children who despise their parents because they didn't pay for college are the spongers I'm talking about, and if your cousins had any drive or determination they would've done it themselves.

In the UK it used to be the case that if you were from a poor family you got a student grant (now loan). If you were Ok off you got no grant. If your parents were well off the state expected them to pay for you. I know people whose parents were well off got no grant and whose parents would not pay anything. That was not a good situation to be in.

My cousins went to a crap school. If they had gone to the school I went to I have no doubts that they would of had higher aspirations. You were just expected to do something good.


But its pointless arguing with you. Therefor, I concede. You are right. I wish I worked on a farm and I hope that your offspring enjoy shoveling shit and driving tractor.

No…..you win, if your cousins parents didn't pay for a higher education and your cousins had no spine of their own to go get a part time job to pay for it themselves, then it must be the parents fault they are working on a farm or market. Maybe their parents should've done their homework for them too.

Going from your comments you're obviously a spoiled little boy, so that alone makes you right all the time.

Bill Gates didn't get a college dgree did he? and I don't think he shovels shit…you're just one of those college educated elitist pukes…a likeable one, but you are one. Besides, shovelling shit for a while never hurt anyone and would spur most people in bettering themselves.

Originally posted by keithstg:
For undergrad, it's probably the 4th or 5th best public school in this region. That's all.

but do you think you could tell the difference between somebody who worked hard at maryland vs. somebody who worked hard at virginia, or somebody who did not work hard at either of those schools

Originally posted by mark e smith:

Originally posted by bunnyballs:
Why do you feel the need to still take money from your parents

I went 6 weeks without being able to get paid and I needed to get a car. The insurance for which was $1k for 6months. I could have struggled by, but they always promised to help buy a car one day. First car at 31…… I think the time had come.

I am sure when it is time to buy a property that they will help too.

Does mummy fly over to come wipe your arse every time you take a shit?

I see that expensive college education paid off nicely seeing as you're still financially dependent on mum and dad at age 31.

If you didn't go to concerts as often as you do you could afford the car and insurance on your own…that would be the financially responsible thing to do, but no need to be financially responsible when you have your hand in dads pocket constantly is there?

Originally posted by keithstg:

U of MD. is a frigging joke. 17th out of public universities isn't anything to be proud about, really. It's underfunded, over attended, and it's undergraduate programs are mostly below average.

do you know how many public schools there are in this country?
seriously, do you think that the engineering school ranking (25th) out of all universities that offer a doctorate (including private schools) is also a joke? or the other undergrad programs that rank high - (see business school)?
If it is, you tell that to my employer because he is paying me well based on my non credible knowledge!
Don't be a hater.

Originally posted by pollard:[/qb]

but do you think you could tell the difference between somebody who worked hard at maryland vs. somebody who worked hard at virginia, or somebody who did not work hard at either of those schools [/QB]

While I can't speak for everyone, my experience is that yes, you can tell. Also,in my experience, people who worked hard at liberal arts schools for undergrand tend to outperform those who worked hard at universities for undergrad.

Originally posted by mankie:
Going from your comments you're obviously a spoiled little boy, so that alone makes you right all the time.

Bill Gates didn't get a college dgree did he? and I don't think he shovels shit…you're just one of those college educated elitist pukes…a likeable one, but you are one. Besides, shovelling shit for a while never hurt anyone and would spur most people in bettering themselves.

Oh I did shitey jobs. I worked for several school holidays at the fruit and veg shop doing 11 or twelve hour days. One day I moved 5 tonnes of potato(e)s. All for 10 quid a day. Schoolwork was very appealing in comparison.

But, yes I am spoilt. In my defence, I am really glad I am am. And its not like I never struggled. I just struggled to do different things.

I think Bill Gates could have gone to college if he wanted. He was just a bright guy in the right place at the right time. There are simple stats that show you are likely to earn more and live longer if you are better educated.

Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
[/qb]

do you know how many public schools there are in this country?
seriously, do you think that the engineering school ranking (25th) out of all universities that offer a doctorate (including private schools) is also a joke? or the other undergrad programs that rank high - (see business school)?
If it is, you tell that to my employer because he is paying me well based on my non credible knowledge!
Don't be a hater. [/QB]

Look, you don't need to defend your education to me. All I'm saying is that U of MD. isn't a great institution for undergrad. If you've been out of school for more than a few years, it's more than likely that your employer is paying you based on your industry knowledge and work experience rather than your degree, anyway.

And, what is this, the Jay-Z bulletin board? A hater? Come on. If you love U of MD. so much, why don't you go up there every time the "students" riot and keep them from tearing the place apart…

Originally posted by Groundkeeper's Willy:
do you know how many public schools there are in this country?
seriously, do you think that the engineering school ranking (25th) out of all universities that offer a doctorate (including private schools) is also a joke? or the other undergrad programs that rank high - (see business school)?
If it is, you tell that to my employer because he is paying me well based on my non credible knowledge!
Don't be a hater.

How many schools are in the engineering school population?

As for the business school rankings – UMD is tied for 42nd. Which means it's not very good. Honestly. The Wall Street Journal pointed out the business and financial world's dirty little secret in an article a few years ago. If you didn't go to a top ten business school (Tuck, Wharton, Darden, Haas, Kellogg, Harvard, Sloan, Stanford, Chicago, maybe Fuqua, etc…) then you would probably have been better off saving your money.