9:30 Club Sues Over Subsidies for Planned Live Nation Venue in Silver Spring

chaz wrote:

hutch wrote:
this is true..its going to be a real bitch to get there from arlington.. i'd probably recommend going into dc and taking 16th st north…


not a fun drive though…

Don't go through town to get there…mad traffic.  Through town going home late at night is fine though. 

From Arlington:

GW parkway south > 495 > colesville rd or Georgia ave exit.

I don't understand all the talk about this.  Not that bad of a drive at all from anywhere inside the beltway really.

driving on 495 during rush hour, in my experience, is not a good time.. . and remember shows will start fairly early so people can catch the 11 or 11:20 train.. so you'd have to drive through rush hour..


i guess i'll try both and see… i could see 495 being better so i guess you're right

hutch wrote:
driving on 495 during rush hour, in my experience, is not a good time.. . and remember shows will start fairly early so people can catch the 11 or 11:20 train.. so you'd have to drive through rush hour..

i guess i'll try both and see… i could see 495 being better so i guess you're right

this.  there is no easy way to get from MD to VA, and vice-versa, during rush hour (and forget about making the drive on friday evenings).  i have to do this commute when i go in to the office.  it sucks.  week-night shows at the patriot center are tough for me.  it'll be the same for VA'ers going to the FSS - do-able but requires planning (aka traveling early). 

on the upside, unlike the patriot, the FSS is on metro.  i'm assuming they'll lobby to change metro's schedule a bit: currently if you catch the last train in to DC on weekdays (11:43), you arrive at the same time as the last orange line to VA is leaving (12:06).  to safely make the transfer, one would have to get the 11:29 in SS.  then again, shows should be well over by 11 if the FSS keeps the same hours as the rest of silver spring, ;D

sweetcell wrote:
i'm assuming they'll lobby to change metro's schedule a bit

F U

Sincerely,

All the assholes who told me to quit fucking complaining about the Velvet Lounge letting acts run late.

The last couple times I was at Velvet, they were done at more reasonable hours.


If you wanna bitch about Velvet, bitch about their letting horrible bro-tastic DJ's spin loud garbage downstairs while quieter acts are playing upstairs.

Thousand wrote:

sweetcell wrote:
i'm assuming they'll lobby to change metro's schedule a bit

F U

Sincerely,

All the assholes who told me to quit fucking complaining about the Velvet Lounge letting acts run late.

LOL!!! A venue should change their schedule due to the metro system?? Laughable!

Thousand wrote:

sweetcell wrote:
i'm assuming they'll lobby to change metro's schedule a bit

F U

Sincerely,

All the assholes who told me to quit fucking complaining about the Velvet Lounge letting acts run late.

if the FSS has the pull to get MoCo to fork over $4m, they can probably get metro to change its schedule by a few minutes.  VL doesn't have that kind of clout.

and you're still a pussy for complaining about how late the velvet runs.  sorry you missed your curfew.

sweetcell wrote:
if the FSS has the pull to get MoCo to fork over $4m, they can probably get metro to change its schedule by a few minutes.  VL doesn't have that kind of clout.

and you're still a pussy for complaining about how late the velvet runs.  sorry you missed your curfew.

It is obviously advantageous financially for venues to have shows that are accessible by Metro time-wise.

I'm actually kind of hesitant about this venue…. I definitely agree that the area needed another venue for "bigger than 930" shows, because I cannot stand DAR….. the sound is horrible there, and that is my main consideration….. which is one reason why I much prefer the 930, typically the sound is pretty stellar there, and I don't think I've ever been to a good sounding show at Rams Head Live….. but I'm waiting to see just how accessible the new place is both getting there and getting out of there….. I don't know the area the Fillmore is at, so I don't know if the parking is going to be "on street" or a bunch of parking garages….. B-more is pretty much all parking garages and it can take forever to get out of one when leaving a show there…. coming from Naptown, I'm pretty much going to HAVE to go 50-495, and that can be a nightmare during rush hour…. shoot, it can be a nightmare anytime, day or night…. I'm not sure that the Metro is realistic for me, I'd have to get on the Orange Line, travel into DC, then change trains and head back out…. so, short story long, I think I'm going to wait awhile and see the reports from folks that have been there once it opens…..

there is street parking near Rams Head Live.

There are several FREE parking garages near FSS.  There's street parking nearby.  There's a Metro within walking distance.  There's bus access.    It's just inside the beltway, with multiple access routes.  It's no more difficult to get to than any other venue at rush hour.    I don't see what the fuss is all about.

Bombay wrote:
There are several FREE parking garages near FSS.  There's street parking nearby.   There's a Metro within walking distance.   There's bus access.     It's just inside the beltway, with multiple access routes.   It's no more difficult to get to than any other venue at rush hour.    I don't see what the fuss is all about.

It's actually easier to find parking in down town Silver Spring than U Street… Plus, your car won't get broken into.

So, anybody want to go place a bag of flaming poo on the front steps of this shithole?

Why, what did they do to me?

Sorry, i'm not a 13 year old boy.  ;)

azaghal1981 wrote:
So, anybody want to go place a bag of flaming poo on the front steps of this shithole?

Yada wrote:

Bombay wrote:
There are several FREE parking garages near FSS.  There's street parking nearby.   There's a Metro within walking distance.   There's bus access.     It's just inside the beltway, with multiple access routes.   It's no more difficult to get to than any other venue at rush hour.    I don't see what the fuss is all about.

It's actually easier to find parking in down town Silver Spring than U Street… Plus, your car won't get broken into.

well, I guess that's good news at least, I honestly know very little about that part of town, so thanks for that info…. it's still going to be a huge PITA for me to get to, I bet….. the 930 is actually pretty easy for me….. Rt 50 (against the flow of rush hour) to NY Ave ( which I guess can be a pain right now with the construction going on right now) to Fla. Ave to the club…… to get to the new venue, it means 10-11 miles on 495 North during rush hour, a drive I haven't had to make in a long time….. guess I'll find out sometime in the near future…..

Most interesting about live nation trying to eliminate stub hub.  Stub hub is convenient for selling tickets.  Obviously they don't care about scalping they just want to be the one getting the cut. 

As for ticketmaster they are bad but missiontix is the worst and they are independent.  Lower Dens show was cancelled but I dont' get back my 7 dollars in service charge?  There should be a class action lawsuit for that. 

I didn't think the original lawsuit had a chance of succeeding.  But the anti-trust one seems to have more merit.  But with all the big bands playing at MPP, 930 club, and DAR for IMP it is going to be a hard case to show anti-trust happening in DC/MD area. 

Do TM pay back surcharges?


It's news to me if they do.

azaghal1981 wrote:
Do TM pay back surcharges?


It's news to me if they do.

If not it would be a good class action lawsuit material.  I know when echo + bunnymen cancelled at black cat i got the fees back. 

TM doesn't refund processing fees

That is what I thought.

Vas wrote:
TM doesn't refund processing fees

That definitely should be against the law.  You are paying for something and not getting it.  Definitely a scam of the first order.