New Order gets back together without Hook (aka payback's a bitch)

Brian_Wallace wrote:

hutch wrote:
Never saw them live… to me Joy Division/New Order are the most important band of the past 30+ years.

Who knew they'd end up like Pink Floyd?

Your definition of "important" isn't like everybody else's, is it?  For what?  Making a 12" that looked like a floppy disc?  Doing a lot of drugs?  Running a club into the ground?

Let's face it, New Order haven't been the same since Ian Curtis left.  Or was that Syd Barrett?

Brian

REALLY?

Running a club into the ground?

Actually, it was drugs that ran the Hacienda into the ground, not Joy Division.
Nobody was buying drinks in the club, they just paid the entry fee and took drugs once inside, and the club couldn't survive on door fees alone. I know because I went there a few times and it just wasn't my kind of club not being a junkie.

If it weren't for bands like Joy Division the Hacienda would've closed down much earlier than it did. The factory was a much better place in my opinion.

Curtis was never in New Order.

Frank wrote:

REALLY?

Running a club into the ground?

Actually, it was drugs that ran the Hacienda into the ground, not Joy Division.
Nobody was buying drinks in the club, they just paid the entry fee and took drugs once inside, and the club couldn't survive on door fees alone. I know because I went there a few times and it just wasn't my kind of club not being a junkie.

If it weren't for bands like Joy Division the Hacienda would've closed down much earlier than it did. The factory was a much better place in my opinion.

Curtis was never in New Order.

C'mon, everybody knows facts are sooo passé. Opinions and egos are where its at!  It's so refreshing the idiots have found the courage to speak with such conviction.

slappy wrote:

Frank wrote:

REALLY?

Running a club into the ground?

Actually, it was drugs that ran the Hacienda into the ground, not Joy Division.
Nobody was buying drinks in the club, they just paid the entry fee and took drugs once inside, and the club couldn't survive on door fees alone. I know because I went there a few times and it just wasn't my kind of club not being a junkie.

If it weren't for bands like Joy Division the Hacienda would've closed down much earlier than it did. The factory was a much better place in my opinion.

Curtis was never in New Order.

C'mon, everybody knows facts are sooo passé. Opinions and egos are where its at!  It's so refreshing the idiots have found the courage to speak with such conviction.

You weren't there…you wouldn't understand. (actually, you probably weren't even born)  ;)

Frank wrote:

slappy wrote:

Frank wrote:

REALLY?

Running a club into the ground?

Actually, it was drugs that ran the Hacienda into the ground, not Joy Division.
Nobody was buying drinks in the club, they just paid the entry fee and took drugs once inside, and the club couldn't survive on door fees alone. I know because I went there a few times and it just wasn't my kind of club not being a junkie.

If it weren't for bands like Joy Division the Hacienda would've closed down much earlier than it did. The factory was a much better place in my opinion.

Curtis was never in New Order.

C'mon, everybody knows facts are sooo passé. Opinions and egos are where its at!  It's so refreshing the idiots have found the courage to speak with such conviction.

You weren't there…you wouldn't understand. (actually, you probably weren't even born)  ;)

I did get to go once around '91?  In hindsight I didn't understand.
I came back thinking the duo 'Candy Flip' were going to be HUGE.

LOL…Candy Flip. Wow. Proof that anyone in a bedroom with a drum machine can have a hit.

Who cares about an iconic club from "Madchester?"  Some legendary night when Bez went absolutely CRAZY!?!?!?!  Stop living in the past.  Evolve or die.  That's like deifying "The hottest rap-metal club EVER!  The Deftones.  Korn.  Fred.  They were in here ALL THE TIME!"

Brian

Brian_Wallace wrote:

Who cares about an iconic club from "Madchester?"  Some legendary night when Bez went absolutely CRAZY!?!?!?!  Stop living in the past.  Evolve or die.  That's like deifying "The hottest rap-metal club EVER!  The Deftones.  Korn.  Fred.  They were in here ALL THE TIME!"

Brian

Some do. I was just telling someone of my personal experience of the club regarding the facts of why it closed. You didn't have to read my comment.

Are you ever NOT pissed off with a bad attitude?

I bet you're a total bag o laughs to hang out with.

"Hey Brian…would you like a beer?"

"Beer? Do I look like I want a fucking beer?…Beer is for old men with no life. Fuck you. I'm way too cool to drink beer"

Brian Wallace is like the the Sarah Palin of the 9:30 Club Board. We all laugh, jeer, get pissed off, or gawk, but the reality with people like that, if you stop paying them attention they'll eventually go away. Not that I don't find some of his stuff sometimes amusing even if I disagree with 99% of it. Maybe if we validate him with a flick along the lines of "Who's Nailin' Palin" he'll be be appeased. We could call it "Balls to the Wallace: Grudge Fuck 7".

Brian's on target about 90% of the time for me, which probably makes him more amusing to me than others.

Why would you want him to go away? Message boards desperately need more people like Brian. Otherwise they're just a group of friends in a chat room…zzzzzz….

bearman wrote:
Brian Wallace is like the the Sarah Palin of the 9:30 Club Board. We all laugh, jeer, get pissed off, or gawk, but the reality with people like that, if you stop paying them attention they'll eventually go away. Not that I don't find some of his stuff sometimes amusing even if I disagree with 99% of it. Maybe if we validate him with a flick along the lines of "Who's Nailin' Palin" he'll be be appeased. We could call it "Balls to the Wallace: Grudge Fuck 7".

James wrote:
Brian's on target about 90% of the time for me, which probably makes him more amusing to me than others.

Why would you want him to go away? Message boards desperately need more people like Brian. Otherwise they're just a group of friends in a chat room…zzzzzz….

bearman wrote:
Brian Wallace is like the the Sarah Palin of the 9:30 Club Board. We all laugh, jeer, get pissed off, or gawk, but the reality with people like that, if you stop paying them attention they'll eventually go away. Not that I don't find some of his stuff sometimes amusing even if I disagree with 99% of it. Maybe if we validate him with a flick along the lines of "Who's Nailin' Palin" he'll be be appeased. We could call it "Balls to the Wallace: Grudge Fuck 7".

The character needs to evolve and work harder. Just being contrarian with some fake rage and ego only goes so far and then it equally becomes "zzzzz".  It needs more intelligence and thought to the bluster. Less throwing spaghetti against the wall and seeing what sticks and more actual attempts at a surgical strike type of rebuttal.

It's not fake.  Have YOU listened to "Technique" or "Pills 'n' Thrills & Bellyaches" recently?

Brian

"I first I heard about this on Monday and it has taken me completely by surprise! Everyone knows that NEW ORDER without PETER HOOK is like QUEEN without FREDDIE MERCURY, U2 without THE EDGE, SOOTY without SWEEP!

On a more serious note, I do not understand the decision THE OTHER THREE have taken. I wish they had approached me first. I do not agree with the methods they have used and feel it would have been courteous and professional to have spoken to me in advance of the announcements. It is very sad."

Love PETER HOOK x Sept 2011

Brian_Wallace wrote:

It's not fake.  Have YOU listened to "Technique" or "Pills 'n' Thrills & Bellyaches" recently?

Brian

Yeah, 'Technique' still stands up as a solid album. Listened to the Black Grape 1st album last week if that counts.

The bigger question is why were you listening to them?
"Stop living in the past"
"Evolve or die"

History is kinda cool. It can make you smarter (i.e. not sound like a dumbass).
For instance if you knew some music history you'd know Ian Curtis didn't 'leave' New Order.
He committed suicide when he was the singer of Joy Division.

Syd Barrett didn't even leave Pink Floyd. He was left behind because of mental/drug issues.

I still say you're being fake (with some need for attention that wasn't fulfilled in your youth).
You can't be this stupid.

slappy wrote:

Brian_Wallace wrote:

It's not fake.  Have YOU listened to "Technique" or "Pills 'n' Thrills & Bellyaches" recently?

Brian

Yeah, 'Technique' still stands up as a solid album. Listened to the Black Grape 1st album last week if that counts.

Good.  Then we don't have to suffer.  Thanks for taking that bullet for us.

Brian

Brian_Wallace wrote:

slappy wrote:

Brian_Wallace wrote:

It's not fake.  Have YOU listened to "Technique" or "Pills 'n' Thrills & Bellyaches" recently?

Brian

Yeah, 'Technique' still stands up as a solid album. Listened to the Black Grape 1st album last week if that counts.

Good.  Then we don't have to suffer.  Thanks for taking that bullet for us.

Brian

Ok, if you want the attention you so desperately desire, you could at least answer this question.

Why do you care what music people enjoy?

We're at a technological point where you can listen to anything you want, anywhere you want. It's not like the past where you were at the mercy of radio programming and the tastes of the masses or limited to where a piece of wax could be played.

C'mon you don't have to pretend you or anybody else suffers from the enjoyment of someones music taste.

slappy wrote:

Brian_Wallace wrote:

slappy wrote:

Brian_Wallace wrote:

It's not fake.  Have YOU listened to "Technique" or "Pills 'n' Thrills & Bellyaches" recently?

Brian

Yeah, 'Technique' still stands up as a solid album. Listened to the Black Grape 1st album last week if that counts.

Good.  Then we don't have to suffer.  Thanks for taking that bullet for us.

Brian

Ok, if you want the attention you so desperately desire, you could at least answer this question.

Why do you care what music people enjoy?

We're at a technological point where you can listen to anything you want, anywhere you want. It's not like the past where you were at the mercy of radio programming and the tastes of the masses or limited to where a piece of wax could be played.

C'mon you don't have to pretend you or anybody else suffers from the enjoyment of someones music taste.

It's necropathetic.  Music is the only artistic medium where it's not only accepted but encouraged to revere music made generations ago.  And it's POP music.  It's like preserving a bag of Doritos.  There isn't a lot of 15 year-olds who love the Beatles anymore but there's a lot of 30 year-old who do.  Adult men and women who should be doing adult things and they play on their iphones, take money from mommy and step-daddy and play "The Beatles Rock Band."  Which is pathetic.  It's this whole Generation X thing.  Mom and Daddy got divorced and they never grew up.   It really is the enemy of progress.  Nostalgia.  If you want to live in the past, fine.  The rest of us have grown up and are moving on.  Listen to whatever you want.  But that won't stop me and a lot of others from regarding you with utter contempt.  Put on your ironic t-shirts and drink you soda and listen to Lenny Kravitz and complain about how George Lucas raped your childhood.


Brian

If the music of long ago doesn't hold up today, then the music of today won't hold up in 20 years. So don't bother listening to anything at all. And shut the fuck up.

you regard me with "utter contempt"? Geez Brian Wallace..  thought you were my friend!  ::)


not knowing your history and assuming that things to be good must be "new" is what sucks….a lot of these new bands people rave about couldn't hold peter hook's jockstrap!

Granted, you can't tell much from 20th century artifacts like hard-copy magazines but there really are only two mainstream magazines devoted to popular music: Spin and Rolling Stone.

One has the 20th Anniversary of Nirvana on the cover and the other has George Harrison…

Brian

hutch wrote:
you regard me with "utter contempt"? Geez Brian Wallace..  thought you were my friend!  ::)

Not you, per se.  Just those REALLY excited about Paul Simon playing the club.

Brian