How is there not a Serial thread yet?

whoa, made it into the top row of gif options in microsoft teams today

if you look up syed there are a bunch

Julian, wrote:

Special-hatch wrote:
for a crime that it appears there is evidence he didn’t commit

I would disagree with this assessment. The prosecution not turning over evidence of other individuals they looked at is not "evidence he didn't commit."

The most likely and reasonable explanation for this young lady's death remains Syed by a wide margin. That is also not sufficient for the burden of proof in a criminal trial.

hmm, so you are confident he was the killer, but also agree the case was so poor that he shouldn't be convicted

Special-hatch wrote:

Julian, wrote:

Special-hatch wrote:
for a crime that it appears there is evidence he didn’t commit

I would disagree with this assessment. The prosecution not turning over evidence of other individuals they looked at is not "evidence he didn't commit."

The most likely and reasonable explanation for this young lady's death remains Syed by a wide margin. That is also not sufficient for the burden of proof in a criminal trial.

hmm, so you are confident he was the killer, but also agree the case was so poor that he shouldn't be convicted

I think putting aside the conviction is the right call because of prosecutorial misconduct and has nothing to do with whether the guy is guilty or not. We're supposed to have a legal system that sends 100 guilty  people free to avoid one innocent person in jail.

That said, the still most-plausible version of this lady's death is Syed and any alternative theory strains credulity and involves Jay just magically guessing right about tons of things. I take umbrage at people saying there's "evidence he didn't do it" or claiming he's been exonerated – nah. This is not a case of "actual innocence" its a case of "the prosecutor fucked up and has no interest 20 years later in retrying the case."

Julian, wrote: We're supposed to have a legal system that sends 100 guilty  people free to avoid one innocent person in jail.

I do agree on this sentiment

I don't know enough about the case to say otherwise, I was easily swayed by a convincing podcast for sure

I assume you've watched the Only Murders in the Building

I just saw the first season on an airplane going to and coming back from Europe. Have not see season 2. It's pretty good. Not great.

Julian, wrote:
I just saw the first season on an airplane going to and coming back from Europe. Have not see season 2. It's pretty good. Not great.

yeah, but if you didn't listen to serial, I think it's not as funny
it's not the best thing I've ever seen, but martin short kills me in it
I was surprised how much I liked Gomez in that role
At first I was like, what is she doing with these heavyweights, but I think she holds her own

I think the second season is worth it if you ejoyed the first
not must see TV, but up there in the top ten shows I've watched in the last year

I will say I'm interested in  B.J. Novak's Vengeance…looks like it could be really good (or suck really bad)

Special-hatch wrote:
it's not the best thing I've ever seen, but martin short kills me in it
I was surprised how much I liked Gomez in that role
At first I was like, what is she doing with these heavyweights, but I think she holds her own

Agree with all these points. Going to get around to watching season 2 here soon.

NEW SERIAL EPISODE OH MAH GAWD INSERT HEADS EXPLODE MEME GIF MP4 AVI BBQ WTF!!!111

‘Serial’ streams new episode after Adnan Syed released

Julian, wrote:
Which one?

Absolutely nothing that happened yesterday has changed my opinion of this case or the podcast:

vansmack wrote:
Most believable thing I've read yet.

As a lawyer, it was difficult to listen to the podcast at times, especially the way it was being edited.  There's a huge difference between actual guilt and legal guilt and that probably should have been explained more.  Either way, all of my theories went out the door when Jay led the cops to her car.

At that point, it was motive of Jay vs motive of Adnan, and frankly, since Adnan had absolutely no alibi, it was hard to fathom it being anyone else.

Do I think the prosecution had enough to go beyond a reasonable doubt?  Not with the way this information was presented no, and I could raise serious questions about his attorney's defense, but I wouldn't go that far unless I had read the entire trial proceedings, which, frankly, I'm not going to do.  But I definitely think Ms. Gutierrez could have done a better job.

Do I think Adnan killed Hae? Yes, but the job is on the prosecution to put together more evidence than they did (or more than we were presented).

Deidre's well off the mark on this one.  She has absolutely nothing to tie Ronald Moore and Jay together.  Until then, she needs to look at the real picture and ignore the big picture, which for her is anybody but Adnan.

My favorite part of the podcast was when Adnan got upset about Sarah saying he was such a nice guy that it makes it difficult to believe he could do it.  The whole premise of her show was that an attorney contacted her because this really nice kid was convicted of a crime that they just couldn't be he was capable of doing.  That doesn't mean shit and he had the exact right response - that doesn't help me one bit, so let's a find a way where I didn't do this with FACT that I can take to the courts.  That didn't happen - not even close.

Well, that and where Christina found out Jay's attorney was arranged by the prosecutor and Sarah says "if you or you're loved one is an attorney their mouth is wide open right now" and sure enough, when my fiancee looked over, my mouth was wide open.  That was pretty funny.

god…2014!
That was a fantastic summary. 
So he killed her, but should go free….ack

Special-hatch wrote:
but should go free….ack

"I wouldn't go that far unless I had read the entire trial proceedings, which, frankly, I'm not going to do."

Procedural.

The lawyers keep winning.  No one else is…..