So, were the new shootings in California yesterday, terrorism, or just somebody shooting because that's what we do in this country? It seems that a lot of people are arguing this point, in the media.
Paris attacks and Eagles of Death Metal
walk,on,by wrote:
So, were the new shootings in California yesterday, terrorism, or just somebody shooting because that's what we do in this country? It seems that a lot of people are arguing this point, in the media.
Depends on the skin color… this will most likely be terrorism since he was one of them Muslims.
walk,on,by wrote:
So, were the new shootings in California yesterday, terrorism, or just somebody shooting because that's what we do in this country? It seems that a lot of people are arguing this point, in the media.
yes FOX news is frothing at the mouth at the prospect that this could have any link to Daesh..
The facts as we know them seem to indicate a little bit to "satisfy" both sides (ie., it was a mass shooting or it was muslim terrorists)… my point would be that regardless the easy access to guns, assault rifles aint' helping..
at this point i'm calling it a mass shooting by people who happened to be muslim…. but i'm open to revisiting that as we learn more…..
and to me its all terrorism… why do we draw this line as if one is way worse than the other??? 14 people are dead whether it is called terrorism or a mass shooting ain't bringing any of them back to life… Megyn Kelly on FOX last night even said that the consequences if it was terrorism would be far more… (she meant terrorism tied to DAESH)… well she is right but why should that be so???
pretty sick people though…. to leave a 6 month old baby behind…. and target a place that helps people with developmental disabilities like autism…during a holiday party.
real shits.
real shits.
hutch wrote:
pretty sick people though…. to leave a 6 month old baby behind…. and target a place that helps people with developmental disabilities like autism…during a holiday party.
real shits.
Do you think they would have done this if they were secular people? I guess we'll see.
hutch wrote:
pretty sick people though…. to leave a 6 month old baby behind….
yeah…that fact boggled my mind
although they did go after the staff, not the clients
Space wrote:hutch wrote:
pretty sick people though…. to leave a 6 month old baby behind…. and target a place that helps people with developmental disabilities like autism…during a holiday party.
real shits.
Do you think they would have done this if they were secular people? I guess we'll see.
oh.. probably not….
hutch wrote:
dude..this was not 9-11…
for france, and by extension a lot of europe, this was exactly like 9/11: a mass-casualty terrorism act hits home. do you remember that shattered sense of safety you had when the twin towers came down? a lot of frenchies now feel the same way. sure, we all know that terrorism exists… but until you feel that you are truly at risk, it's theoretical. november 13 made it real for them.
sweetcell wrote:hutch wrote:
dude..this was not 9-11…
for france, and by extension a lot of europe, this was exactly like 9/11: a mass-casualty terrorism act hits home. do you remember that shattered sense of safety you had when the twin towers came down? a lot of frenchies now feel the same way. sure, we all know that terrorism exists… but until you feel that you are truly at risk, it's theoretical. november 13 made it real for them.
no way… this is a silly thing to argue about so I will leave it with that.. no way was this comparable to 9-11…
i have friends in paris. this is their 9/11. end of story.
sweetcell wrote:
i have friends in paris. this is their 9/11. end of story.
so you want to keep going eh?
oh, and you think you're the only with friends in paris?
the difference of opinion comes down to what you define "9-11" as being..
I don't see how you can compare the two..
9-11 involved Saudis flying, hijacking and blowing up mulitple planes, bringing down the twin towers, and crashing a plane into a pentagon..killing thousands.. injuring thousands more
how the fuck is what happened in Paris comparable to that??
one has to think you have forgotten what happened on 9-11 to say that what happened in Paris is comparable to it..
having said that, I do not deny that Parisians may be feeling some of the same things Americans felt in the aftermath of 9-11… if that is what you mean by saying its "their 9-11" then I guess you are right. happy?
In terms of overall physical and property damage, sure no comparison.
In terms of the psychological, very similar.
So you're both right.
In terms of the psychological, very similar.
So you're both right.
I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism started with Al Qaeda or Daesh..
Does nobody remember the Red Brigade or the IRA??? There were plenty of terrorist attacks all over Europe in the 1970s…
Moreover, the psychological impact I should think would be different depending on the scale of the attack.. or is a terrorist attack that kills one person expected to carry the same psychological impact as one that kills, god forbid, 10,000???
I think people are forgetting to think things through here…
Furthermore, its not as if we haven't had plenty of terrorist attacks in places like India or Kenya or you name it between 9-11 and the Paris attacks… Spain experienced a pretty significant attack and yet nobody would compare it to 9-11… I guess Indians and Kenyans don't matter though..
Luckily I have to leave this riveting conversation
Does nobody remember the Red Brigade or the IRA??? There were plenty of terrorist attacks all over Europe in the 1970s…
Moreover, the psychological impact I should think would be different depending on the scale of the attack.. or is a terrorist attack that kills one person expected to carry the same psychological impact as one that kills, god forbid, 10,000???
I think people are forgetting to think things through here…
Furthermore, its not as if we haven't had plenty of terrorist attacks in places like India or Kenya or you name it between 9-11 and the Paris attacks… Spain experienced a pretty significant attack and yet nobody would compare it to 9-11… I guess Indians and Kenyans don't matter though..
Luckily I have to leave this riveting conversation
hutch wrote:If you're related to that one person, then yes, for you it does. Obviously the Paris attack was not, on pure numbers, on the scope of 9/11. But specific to the mood of members of EODM, who literally saw it live in front of them, it's a far more emotionally jarring experience.
Moreover, the psychological impact I should think would be different depending on the scale of the attack.. or is a terrorist attack that kills one person expected to carry the same psychological impact as one that kills, god forbid, 10,000???
Carlos wrote:hutch wrote:If you're related to that one person, then yes, for you it does. Obviously the Paris attack was not, on pure numbers, on the scope of 9/11. But specific to the mood of members of EODM, who literally saw it live in front of them, it's a far more emotionally jarring experience.
Moreover, the psychological impact I should think would be different depending on the scale of the attack.. or is a terrorist attack that kills one person expected to carry the same psychological impact as one that kills, god forbid, 10,000???
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hutch wrote:
I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism started with Al Qaeda or Daesh..
Does nobody remember the Red Brigade or the IRA??? There were plenty of terrorist attacks all over Europe in the 1970s…
I believe you meant to start your reference with Maximilien and his band of Jacobin, but I could be mistaken.
vansmack wrote:hutch wrote:
I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism started with Al Qaeda or Daesh..
Does nobody remember the Red Brigade or the IRA??? There were plenty of terrorist attacks all over Europe in the 1970s…
I believe you meant to start your reference with Maximilien and his band of Jacobin, but I could be mistaken.
we're talking about modern day terrorism…the PLO was modern day terrorism…do people not remember the attacks on the Olympic Village in Germany?.. moreover, if the French attitude is that the Charlie Hebdo attacks weren't a terrorist attack or not targeted against "us" then I think that's rather shameful actually…kind of embarrassing much like John Kerry's unfortunate statement…
there is this attitude represented by conventional "wisdom" that "this changes everything".. well it DOES NOT… 9-11 did not change everything.. Pearl Harbor did not change everything and the Paris attacks most certainly did not change everything… doesn't mean they are not important events…. they are things that happen.. you get back up, try to figure out how to prevent them and go on… when you let them make you feel that they "change everything" you are precisely playing into their hands.. those of the terrorists, and though I know this is very controversial and is just my own personal opinion, those of the military industrial complex (the modern day military industrial complex which includes a lot of non military and non-industrial enterprises) which cannot wait to get into the next military conflict (you better believe they are rubbing their hands together a la Mr. Burns right now)….
I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.