Paris attacks and Eagles of Death Metal

vansmack wrote:
I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.

yes I share that (though I know you're trying hard to be clever)… terrorism helped create the State of Israel.. You  read about the Maccabees being terrorists for pete's sake.

so what do we have in the end? That terrorism has been a part of civilization for millennia…  so lets not kid ourselves that one attack changes everything.

The Stories of the Victims of the San Bernardino Shootings

vansmack wrote:
I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.

You'd have to be pretty blind to think that terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.

Then again, you'd have to be pretty stupid to think that the actions of the PLO, Israel, Red Brigade, IRA, etc. would have the same resonance with everyday Americans as 9/11 did. For most Americans, 9/11 DID change everything.

As far as 11/13 changing everything for Parisians and by extension continental Europeans, when was the last continental European attack by the Red Brigade or IRA? Many Europeans are probably simply too young to remember any kind of terrorist threats.

And this threat is a different kind of terrorist threat. It's arguably dictated by religious texts, rather than merely simple political motivations. That kind of shit is just more scary to some people. Not Hutch, of course.

Space wrote:

vansmack wrote:
I am often astounded by people who seem to think terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.

You'd have to be pretty blind to think that terrorism is a modern day phenomenon.

Then again, you'd have to be pretty stupid to think that the actions of the PLO, Israel, Red Brigade, IRA, etc. would have the same resonance with everyday Americans as 9/11 did. For most Americans, 9/11 DID change everything.

As far as 11/13 changing everything for Parisians and by extension continental Europeans, when was the last continental European attack by the Red Brigade or IRA? Many Europeans are probably simply too young to remember any kind of terrorist threats.

And this threat is a different kind of terrorist threat. It's arguably dictated by religious texts, rather than merely simple political motivations. That kind of shit is just more scary to some people. Not Hutch, of course.

and that is part of the reason 9-11 was different (and the scale which was/is unprecedented)..because in the US there wasn't a history of international terrorism.. not really.. there had been the previous attack on the World Trade Center but that was almost not talked about…just didn't have any impact.. I was obviously not saying that the actions of the PLO had had the same resonance here.. but in Europe?

9-11 did not change everything.. in some ways it helped keep everything the same… another excuse to find enemies (Iraq?) and fight bogus wars…etc.. another excuse to expand violations of people's civil rights.. BTW where is the outrage for the GITMO detainee detained for 13 years due to mistaken identity?

People like to think that events "change everything" but they don't… because human beings remain the same…the people who run our country are obsessed with fighting wars..listen to the Republicans in the debate; they'd have us fighting 4 wars at the same time if they could… when you go to the Museum of American History there is an exhibit on wars and its striking how few years we have actually not been fighting wars….our government SO wants to fight wars we even came up with the "War on Terror" .. inane. when we can't come up with wars the government helps make them up (Vietnam, WWII, the Spanish-American war, Cold War [how many lives ruined during the Red Scare over nothing] etc etc)

you see.. saying 9-11 was different or changed things is one thing.. saying it CHANGED EVERRRYYYYTHING is silly..

the further away, in fact, we get from it the less it changed over the long term..if you think about it..

we still have to listen to God Bless America at baseball games.. hopefully that will change soon….

hutch wrote:
you see.. saying 9-11 was different or changed things is one thing.. saying it CHANGED EVERRRYYYYTHING is silly..

the further away, in fact, we get from it the less it changed over the long term..if you think about it..

we still have to listen to God Bless America at baseball games.. hopefully that will change soon….

Oh Christ, now you sound like my know it all eight year old atheist daughter who wouldn't even stand when the Nats trotted out the legendary Judy Collins to sing the blessing. Grow up, kid.

yuck: http://americannewsx.com/politics/hate-crime-passenger-rants-about-isis-then-shoots-muslim-driver-in-the-back-video/

bono'd

http://www.stereogum.com/1847303/eagles-of-death-metal-will-perform-with-u2-in-paris-this-weekend/news/?utm_source=sc-fb&utm_medium=ref&utm_campaign

More attacks in Europe:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world/europe/coordinated-attacks-on-women-in-cologne-were-unprecedented-germany-says.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/05/germa...ogne-new-years-eve-sex-attacks

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

Why We Can?t Stay Silent on Germany?s Mass Sex Assaults

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html

It took several days for the news of hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne to make headlines. As progressives dither over what to say, the far right has already seized the opportunity.

Space wrote:
Why We Can?t Stay Silent on Germany?s Mass Sex Assaults

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html

It took several days for the news of hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne to make headlines. As progressives dither over what to say, the far right has already seized the opportunity.

Why stop with the Muslims…we need to get those Papa New Guineans too
Indeed, among the worst offenders is Papua New Guinea, where two-thirds of women are subjected to some kind of physical or sexual violence, and rapists from ?raskol? gangs are happy to pose for
photos after their latest rape.

Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from

Sidehatch wrote:
Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from

well said.

Sidehatch wrote:

Space wrote:
Why We Can?t Stay Silent on Germany?s Mass Sex Assaults

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html

It took several days for the news of hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne to make headlines. As progressives dither over what to say, the far right has already seized the opportunity.

Why stop with the Muslims…we need to get those Papa New Guineans too
Indeed, among the worst offenders is Papua New Guinea, where two-thirds of women are subjected to some kind of physical or sexual violence, and rapists from ?raskol? gangs are happy to pose for
photos after their latest rape.

Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from

Though not as egregious as the acts themselves, the Koln mayor's directions to women on how they should behave to prevent further attacks was pretty rancid.

Space wrote:

Sidehatch wrote:

Space wrote:
Why We Can?t Stay Silent on Germany?s Mass Sex Assaults

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html

It took several days for the news of hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne to make headlines. As progressives dither over what to say, the far right has already seized the opportunity.

Why stop with the Muslims…we need to get those Papa New Guineans too
Indeed, among the worst offenders is Papua New Guinea, where two-thirds of women are subjected to some kind of physical or sexual violence, and rapists from ?raskol? gangs are happy to pose for
photos after their latest rape.

Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from

Though not as egregious as the acts themselves, the Koln mayor's directions to women on how they should behave to prevent further attacks was pretty rancid.

why you don't think this is good advice :)

"There?s always the possibility of keeping a certain distance of more than an arm?s length ? that is to say to make sure yourself you don?t look to be too close to people who are not known to you, and to whom you don?t have a trusting relationship," Henriette Reker said

seems like it would be hard to walk down a city street with you 6 foot 'arms length' barrier
guess women shouldn't go the the 9:30 club…wait seems like they are following Reker's advice!

sweetcell wrote:

Sidehatch wrote:
Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from

well said.

What I found truly heinous and alarming about this thing was that the attacks on women were planned and coordinated by large groups of men. Which goes way beyond the shitiness of typical individual sexual attacks that are the norm when it comes to sexual violence.

Sidehatch wrote:

Space wrote:
Why We Can?t Stay Silent on Germany?s Mass Sex Assaults

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html

It took several days for the news of hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne to make headlines. As progressives dither over what to say, the far right has already seized the opportunity.

Why stop with the Muslims…we need to get those Papa New Guineans too
Indeed, among the worst offenders is Papua New Guinea, where two-thirds of women are subjected to some kind of physical or sexual violence, and rapists from ?raskol? gangs are happy to pose for
photos after their latest rape.

Let's be clear this is a heinous act
but to say this is a 'Muslim' thing is a little absurd
it's a violence against women thing, which in this modern era shouldn't be tolerated no matter what religion or region you hail from

Not to mention, but there are also still legitimate modern day witch hunts in New Guinea. If you have the time, I'd read this, it's truly insane:

http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/they-burn-witches-here/

More attacks at Swedish music festival?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/world/europe/swedish-police-coverup-sexual-assault.html

tragedy in Istanbul :(

http://wric.com/ap/reports-several-injured-in-explosion-in-istanbul/

this thread is no longer about either, paris, or the eagles of death metal, anymore.  le, sigh.