the weed, thread

Go, Joe, Go!  Do it, before the midterms!

The Dark Brandon, Rises

I couldn’t agree more.  Does anyone know if he can change Mary Jane from being schedule 1 drug with an executive order?

Special-hatch wrote:
I couldn’t agree more.  Does anyone know if he can change Mary Jane from being schedule 1 drug with an executive order?

No. He can order agencies to CONSIDER making it not a schedule 1 or order them to change enforcement, but he cannot delist marijuana as a schedule 1 drug unilaterally by executive order.

here comes Debbie Drug Law Downer

Special-hatch wrote:
here comes Debbie Drug Law Downer

You're literally the person who asked the question, bro.

Julian, wrote:

Special-hatch wrote:
here comes Debbie Drug Law Downer

You're literally the person who asked the question, bro.

I WANTED YOU TO LIE TO ME!

Special-hatch wrote:

Julian, wrote:

Special-hatch wrote:
here comes Debbie Drug Law Downer

You're literally the person who asked the question, bro.

I WANTED YOU TO LIE TO ME!

"Joe Biden can add 14 new liberal Supreme Court justices, cancel all student debt, make Roe v Wade the law of the land, and decriminalize all drugs, all by fiat. The fact that he doesn't makes him literally worse than Trump. Why do we even vote for Democrats?" - Progressive Twitter

Bravo, take a bow….that was exquisite

Julian, wrote:

Special-hatch wrote:
I couldn’t agree more.  Does anyone know if he can change Mary Jane from being schedule 1 drug with an executive order?

No. He can order agencies to (…) change enforcement

that is his main play: tell the DEA and DOJ to stop pursuing small-scale MJ possession.  two problems:
1. the prez has almost no sway over state and local police.  most small-timers and back-alley joint smokers aren't busted by the DEA. 
2. while some 65% of this country would support de-enforcement/decriminalization/etc., the remaining 35% are likely to make a political mountain of it, and would likely be willing to die on that hill.  IMO it's like abortion: those in favor just expect it, while those opposed are militant.  the right would have an absolute field day labelling Joe the "dealer in chief", "the president that brought crack to every neighborhood", etc.

in a nutshell, it would be lighting a fuse under a red state/blue state issue that currently isn't an issue.  given how many issues Joe has to deal with currently, i doubt he needs a new headache.

but there is honestly big support in red states…maybe not the political leaders, but the voters for sure
I agree there will be a lot of backlash and easy political points will be won with ads like
'joe's soft on crime, do you want some whacked out Phish fan raping your daughter because he smoked some of Joe's Dank SkunkAF"

but you are 100% right…Joe has Zero control over the police (somewhat by design)
but taking it off schedule 1 would be HUGE and change sentencing dramatically
this could easily reinstate the voting rights of close to a million felons too if done correctly

(can you believe there are 19 milion felons in the US.  the term is somewhat BS though as it doesn't relate to the crime severity as one thinks it does)

sweetcell wrote:

Julian, wrote:

Special-hatch wrote:
I couldn’t agree more.  Does anyone know if he can change Mary Jane from being schedule 1 drug with an executive order?

No. He can order agencies to (…) change enforcement

that is his main play: tell the DEA and DOJ to stop pursuing small-scale MJ possession.  two problems:
1. the prez has almost no sway over state and local police.  most small-timers and back-alley joint smokers aren't busted by the DEA. 
2. while some 65% of this country would support de-enforcement/decriminalization/etc., the remaining 35% are likely to make a political mountain of it, and would likely be willing to die on that hill.  IMO it's like abortion: those in favor just expect it, while those opposed are militant.  the right would have an absolute field day labelling Joe the "dealer in chief", "the president that brought crack to every neighborhood", etc.

in a nutshell, it would be lighting a fuse under a red state/blue state issue that currently isn't an issue.  given how many issues Joe has to deal with currently, i doubt he needs a new headache.

Oh you . . . with, the logic.

Special-hatch wrote:
but there is honestly big support in red states…maybe not the political leaders, but the voters for sure
I agree there will be a lot of backlash and easy political points will be won with ads like
'joe's soft on crime, do you want some whacked out Phish fan raping your daughter because he smoked some of Joe's Dank SkunkAF"

Oh you, with the, Phish logic.

Walk,on,by wrote:

Special-hatch wrote:
but there is honestly big support in red states…maybe not the political leaders, but the voters for sure
I agree there will be a lot of backlash and easy political points will be won with ads like
'joe's soft on crime, do you want some whacked out Phish fan raping your daughter because he smoked some of Joe's Dank SkunkAF"

Oh you, with the, Phish logic.

trust me, I've been warning my daughters of the danger of phish phans since day 1

Sweets, you have this backwards. The pro-MJ people are single issue voters; the anti-MJ voters are very milquetoast on this.

Julian, wrote:
The pro-MJ people are single issue voters

jules, two questions:
1. are you in favor of decriminalization/de-enforcement/etc.?
2. how important is this issue to you vs. abortion, climate change, immigration reform, healthcare reform, the economy, etc.?

Special-hatch wrote:
but taking it off schedule 1 would be HUGE and change sentencing dramatically

again, joe can't do that.

sweetcell wrote:

Julian, wrote:
The pro-MJ people are single issue voters

jules, two questions:
1. are you in favor of decriminalization/de-enforcement/etc.?
2. how important is this issue to you vs. abortion, climate change, immigration reform, healthcare reform, the economy, etc.?

Yes, I’m in favor of the full legalization of marijuana and the decriminalization of most drugs (despite the fact that I do not use weed personally). That said, I never talk about this subject and would not self-identify as a “pro MJ voter” because it’s really not all that important to me. I’m not a person who is sharing NORML’s talking points online. 

Literally every other topic you listed is of far greater concern and would more sway my vote over drug reform.

Juste exactamente!

Bien monsieur! Tres bien

The ¿Que estás fumando? thread is over there –>

Julian, wrote:

sweetcell wrote:

Julian, wrote:
The pro-MJ people are single issue voters

jules, two questions:
1. are you in favor of decriminalization/de-enforcement/etc.?
2. how important is this issue to you vs. abortion, climate change, immigration reform, healthcare reform, the economy, etc.?

Yes, I’m in favor of the full legalization of marijuana and the decriminalization of most drugs (despite the fact that I do not use weed personally). That said, I never talk about this subject and would not self-identify as a “pro MJ voter” because it’s really not all that important to me. I’m not a person who is sharing NORML’s talking points online. 

Literally every other topic you listed is of far greater concern and would more sway my vote over drug reform.

soooooooooo… you realize you just undermined your own point, right?  you're a pro-MJ voter, but you're far from a single-issue voter.

just sayin'.