the weed, thread

Julian, I love you, but I stopped listening, when you said you aren't a smoker of weed.

Your opinion, is highly, invalid. 

The, end.

sweetcell wrote:

Julian, wrote:

sweetcell wrote:

Julian, wrote:
The pro-MJ people are single issue voters

jules, two questions:
1. are you in favor of decriminalization/de-enforcement/etc.?
2. how important is this issue to you vs. abortion, climate change, immigration reform, healthcare reform, the economy, etc.?

Yes, I’m in favor of the full legalization of marijuana and the decriminalization of most drugs (despite the fact that I do not use weed personally). That said, I never talk about this subject and would not self-identify as a “pro MJ voter” because it’s really not all that important to me. I’m not a person who is sharing NORML’s talking points online. 

Literally every other topic you listed is of far greater concern and would more sway my vote over drug reform.

soooooooooo… you realize you just undermined your own point, right?  you're a pro-MJ voter, but you're far from a single-issue voter.

just sayin'.

No, I actually didn’t although I knew this is what you were trying to do. I don’t vote based on a candidates stand on weed. I’ve voted for many fuddy-Duddy old school Dems who get the vapors at the thought of weed legalization.

Regardless of how we want to define pro-MJ voters, my underlying point stands: there is a large block of people — ten million plus — for whom Marijuana legalization is their #1 issue. There is no one for whom “keep weed illegal” is their #1 issue. The enthusiasm gap on this issue is night and day.

Short of federal legalization, would be nice for the Biden Admin to propose some new rules regarding security clearances so they don't blacklist anyone who admits to regular MJ usage. Stone cold drunks can get a clearance with flying colors but if you, heaven forbid, admit to using MJ, you don't have a prayer.

100%^
so many states adult recreational is legit, but a lot of companies still are doing drug testing for THC
Also if you have a record, you are kinda screwed for life as you can never get a decent job

Thousand wrote:
Short of federal legalization, would be nice for the Biden Admin to propose some new rules regarding security clearances so they don't blacklist anyone who admits to regular MJ usage.

the FBI are struggling with this issue.  they realized about a decade ago that they weren't getting the best cyber-security experts (read: hackers) because of the ban on weed.  so they changed their rules (in some silly ways) to allow for some MJ use - in the past.  current users need not apply.  even when the agency's mission is jeopardized they still can't allow weekend smokers in.  the institutional momentum in these agencies isn't going to be overcome by a white house directive saying "hey guys, could you please start hiring stoners"…

Thousand wrote:

Stone cold drunks can get a clearance with flying colors but if you, heaven forbid, admit to using MJ, you don't have a prayer.

that's a nah.  if during the investigation for a security clearance they discover you're a raging alcoholic, you can kiss that clearance goodbye.

Special-hatch wrote:
Also if you have a record, you are kinda screwed for life as you can never get a decent job

This isn't true at all, especially for MJ offenses, which are almost always misdemeanors and eligible for post-sentence elimination from records.

Thousand wrote:

Special-hatch wrote:
Also if you have a record, you are kinda screwed for life as you can never get a decent job

This isn't true at all, especially for MJ offenses, which are almost always misdemeanors and eligible for post-sentence elimination from records.

well you need to know that first and second be able to afford a lawyer to do this

In  VA until recently if you had like 4 vape cartridges…was a felony
There are a lot… like 100s of thousands of Americans who have had their lives destroyed over a simple possession charge

i was going to comment about this, specifically about "never get a decent job".  yes, having a criminal record will prevent you from getting some jobs, maybe even a majority of jobs… but certainly not all jobs.  i'm 95% sure i wasn't asked about my criminal record during recruitment for my current job, and i consider it a very decent job.  even for those that do ask, i'm not sure that an possession conviction will necessarily disqualify you.  as an employer, i'd be way more interested in theft, any form of fraud/embezzlement, tax evasion, etc.).  i'm certain there are zero tolerance folks out there too, but let's not assume 100% coverage.

(now that i think of it, i did have to take a pee test for one of the two jobs i've held out here… but was explicitly told that they're not looking for MJ)

the IT field is a little different (although dell still drug tests)
but every company I've ever worked at does a background check and that comes up,
true most employers don't care that I have a possession charge from when I was 18 (and yes I was told that I could get that expunged, but honestly never did, because it's never been an issue)
but I usually come to the table as a referral or have well documented experience and references.

so yes it's not 100% by anymeans, but I would say a lot of people are not getting job offers because that's on their record
not sure you can dispute that

Special-hatch wrote:
well you need to know that first and second be able to afford a lawyer to do this

In  VA until recently if you had like 4 vape cartridges…was a felony
There are a lot… like 100s of thousands of Americans who have had their lives destroyed over a simple possession charge

Stop with the hysterics already. A MJ misdemeanor conviction doesn't damn you to a lifetime of crappy jobs, which was your point.

Special-hatch wrote:
so yes it's not 100% by anymeans, but I would say a lot of people are not getting job offers because that's on their record
not sure you can dispute that

You're not exactly being insightful or providing any sort of news. Yes, if you have a MJ possession conviction on your record, it's entirely possible to likely that you will be passed over for jobs, especially in the first couple of years afterward. Duh.

The good news is in 2022, most decently behaved people don't have to worry too much about this because even in prohibition states, you are provided the opportunity for expungement upon successful completion of probation. Where it is no longer on your record and you don't have to tell potential employers about it. Thus, your issue is negated.

you guys are obviously the MAN, and fuck the man is all I gotta say

Thousand wrote:
A MJ misdemeanor conviction doesn't damn you to a lifetime of crappy jobs

There's a little bit of chicken/egg stuff going on here. It's not a rule per se, but a correlation in some cases.

Jesus Christ; no really, Jesus, I'm talking to you.  Thank you very much, for allowing me to have this thread.

Walk,on,by wrote:
Jesus Christ; no really, Jesus, I'm talking to you.  Thank you very much, for allowing me to have this thread.

yeah, I looked through the members and he's not on this forum, must be using a fake user name

Off-season wrote:
It's not a rule per se, but a correlation in some cases.

In 2022, unless you live in some southern shithole, it's almost meaningless.

I always suspected ernie would partake

Bert should partake….

Watch Bruce Dickinson admonish fans for smoking weed during Iron Maiden Show
"I'm amazed you can even see" - Bruce Dickinson has a word with weed smokers, reveals that Steve Harris hates the smell of marijuana

hmm, liking this Congresswoman from NC..even if she is a R

a GOP congresswoman says there’s an urgent need for bipartisan collaboration on the issue of marijuana so lawmakers can reach consensus on a path forward to end federal prohibition.

Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC),

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/gop-congresswoman-discusses-plans-to-advance-winning-marijuana-issue-under-new-house-majority/

although, really not sure why Dems didn't use this
I guess with some of the crime stuff in the news it didn't seem like a winning message

https://twitter.com/RepNancyMace/status/1592929394728742912?s=20&t=m41MRnWThma7yYKf1x2tdQ
here she is thanking Jaime Raskin! 
I like this bi-partisan stuff