How to end systemic racism?

hutch wrote:
But yeah credit where credit is due

They are taking a big risk alienating their fan base
But corporations need to take the lead here on some of this (as do the people and government)

If people want to vote with their pocketbook, that is a risk.  But I think it's a bigger risk to be associated with the KKK and it's ilk when billions of $$$ are on the line

hutch wrote:

Also nobody will ever convince me keeping the steering wheel turned left is car racing

this made me laugh after reading your comment
@owillis
always knew nascar was a liberal plot because they make all those left turns.

Stonewall Jackson coming down in RVA right now

Side-vivre wrote:
Stonewall Jackson coming down in RVA right now

Can confirm - am on the scene. Some fat, crying white dude with a flag attempted to interfere and got mobbed.

Julian, wrote:
Can confirm - am on the scene. Some fat, crying white dude with a flag attempted to interfere and got mobbed.

I was tempted to find some foolish-looking white guy and say…"Hey even Jules even showed up"
Represent!

Some people disagree but I don’t think there should be one monument or statue to anything having to do with the confederacy…traitors


Even graves in public lands..if they really want to they can say “Here lies a confederate traitor to the United States of America”… a friend of mine - Sidehatch knows him..Bryan..- thinks I am unreasonable but to me you simply can’t have any official recognition of the confederacy as anything other than traitors

On private land do what you want..that’s different in my eyes

And this actually has nothing to do with systemic racism.. countries just shouldn’t allow monuments to traitors..it’s like Country 101!!somewhere along the line things got way messed up in the US

hutch wrote:
And this actually has nothing to do with systemic racism.. countries just shouldn’t allow monuments to traitors..it’s like Country 101!!somewhere along the line things got way messed up in the US

i would argue that those status have everything to do with systemic racism.  white racists were able to put them up because of systemic racism.  they served as reminders of oppression.

imagine if an african american community put up a large monument to someone who was famous for targeting and killing whites.  that statue would be torn down faster than it went up, if they allowed it to be erected at all.  yet here we are, 150+ years since the first jim crow-era confederate statue were erected, and we're just getting around to removing them.  if you have an explanation for this other than systemic racism, i'm all ears.

i also agree with your point that countries shouldn't glorify traitors.

Side-Hoax wrote:
Stonewall Jackson coming down in RVA right now

Richmond mayor invokes emergency powers to remove Confederate statues from city

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
And this actually has nothing to do with systemic racism.. countries just shouldn’t allow monuments to traitors..it’s like Country 101!!somewhere along the line things got way messed up in the US

i would argue that those status have everything to do with systemic racism.  white racists were able to put them up because of systemic racism.  they served as reminders of oppression.

imagine if an african american community put up a large monument to someone who was famous for targeting and killing whites.  that statue would be torn down faster than it went up, if they allowed it to be erected at all.  yet here we are, 150+ years since the first jim crow-era confederate statue were erected, and we're just getting around to removing them.  if you have an explanation for this other than systemic racism, i'm all ears.

i also agree with your point that countries shouldn't glorify traitors.

yawn sweetcell just yawn…get off your self virtue horse. Obviously I agree with what you write but nothing I write said otherwise..stop being a blockhead


What I am saying is that the reason I don’t think they should have ever gone up has nothing to do with racism..I don’t need to oppose racism to think they shouldn’t be there..numskull

It has to do with the fact that we don’t put up monuments to traitors

And trust me..all this stuff about statues and names….yeah, kind of important..in general am in agreement but


Kind of not going to end systemic racism either


You know what will help?…$…trillions of them… white peeps in fancy neighborhoods giving a shit about schools in inner cities would also help


This business about statues and names on buildings is an easy cop out..until white people are willing to give up $ ain’t nothing going to change other than statues and names on buildings


I am hearing ZERO on this..it’s all “hey look we ain’t going to name this building after Woodrow Wilson!! Yeah we are really ending systemic racism!”


It’s kind of weak sauce…but hey if it makes white peoples feel good


You want to make change to end systemic racism? Donate $5 here..they help kids graduate high school, get in college etc…that’s change..the rest is a nice story to help you go to bed at night

https://risedc.org/

hutch wrote:
Some people disagree but I don’t think there should be one monument or statue to anything having to do with the confederacy…traitors

umm I don't know too many non-maga types who think that
surprises me about B, but then again…

I think Germany should be a model for how it's done

There was soo much racism in the south and it was all power-related
So generation after generation being told this is OK and they really like to show their power over blacks in the south by naming things and putting statues at courthouses.  I was a clear message, has very little to do with remembering history…it was about the present

I think there are a lot of great things and people in the South and I wish there was a unifying symbol they could show to show their southern pride…but the battle flag of an army that killed more Americans than all other wars and were OK with enslaving humans…no fn' way

Honestly, I'm shocked that 60 years after the civil rights movement that they were all still standing

And Trump holding up a 3/4 trillion bill 'names of bases are like the most important things to the families of soldiers who died fighting for our country"
WTAF… I can only imagine that most of them hate those bases because they did boot camp and it was miserable and have no connection to the wars they fought in.  such f'd up logic

hutch wrote:
Kind of not going to end systemic racism either

It’s kind of weak sauce…but hey if it makes white peoples feel good

I agree.  I do think it sends a message through. I do think it's an important first step
But just A STEP in a marathon that needs to be run

I think the property tax=school thing is SUCH BULLSHIT
that is racist 100%
They are PUBLIC schools…the pubic should fund them
If you are rich, go to a private school if you don't like the public school….but goddamm you are going to pay some taxes to support all the schools in your state

hutch wrote:

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
And this actually has nothing to do with systemic racism.

i would argue that those status have everything to do with systemic racism. 

I agree with what you write but nothing I write said otherwise..

i'm confused.  but please, carry on…

It’s not that hard Sweetcell : my opposition to confederate statues is because they are statues to traitors…I never meant to say statues to racists have nothing to do with racism and the fact you seem to read it that way is kind of insulting frankly


But yeah let’s debate and nitpick over this…that will end systemic racism!

yes renaming things and toppling statues doesn't really end this…but this seems to be the thread for this

Never really thought about how renaming DC might be on the list…
D.C. is a 68-square-mile monument to Columbus. Here’s what we could rename it.
this opening made me chuckle

Christopher Columbus never explored the waters of the Chesapeake — until Saturday.

Protesters in Baltimore, on the Fourth of July, pulled down a statue of the Italian sailor in the city’s Little Italy, then hauled him, or what was left of him, to the Inner Harbor and rolled him into the water with a splash


Some possibilities for a D.C. without Columbus:
Disenfranchised Citizenry
Democracy Crushed
Defrauded Citizens
Deplorable Colonialism

Alternatively, we could tweak Trump by reminding him what his neighbors think of him, by renaming D.C. “Democrat City” or “Deep-state Central.”

Back to the roots!  Dark Chocolate!  Wait, no.

F the acronym just name it Chocolate City!

*disclaimer…this will not end systemic racism…but it sure feels good

Ending systemic racism happens one day at a time…one action at a time

I think BLM is great cause its awakening new generations to the ongoing struggle

I am reading a book about hip hop culture..the first 100 pages - all I have read so far- are mainly about the Bronx in the early 1970s…we have come so far from the 1970s…still a long way to go though

She sounds like a hard pass as well.

Justin wrote:


Hey, ladies, he's available!