The Baltimore Orioles

now you o's fans are starting to realize what it's like to be a pirates fan.

My theory is they need to go without Miguel Tejada, or at least make him the DH.

The O's actually had a winning record when Tejada was out injured. Coincidence?

Originally posted by K8teebug:
I think the O's need to go w/o a manager. It seems like they play really well (for them) under interim managers. As soon as they hire one permanently, they lose every game.

The O's haven't had a good season since 1996. I know that's not as long as some teams, but I feel like we've suffered enough.

I am tired of watching Baseball Tonight and only hearing bad things about the Orioles. (with the exception of Bedard who is now injured and out for the season)

Originally posted by BookerT:
now you o's fans are starting to realize what it's like to be a pirates fan.

Well, they should be doubly upset as their payroll has been at least double (on the average) over the last 20 years, but I get your point.

The O's won the World Series in 1983. All teams being equal, they're really not due to win another one until 2013. So O's fans need to quit their bitching!

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by BookerT:
now you o's fans are starting to realize what it's like to be a pirates fan.

Well, they should be doubly upset as their payroll has been at least double (on the average) over the last 20 years, but I get your point.

pirates fans have just been stillrz fans during the summer for the past 35 years, though

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
pirates fans have just been stillrz fans during the summer for the past 35 years, though

Come on. 90, 91, 92? Those were exciting (al beit disappointing in the end) years.

and everyone cared more about the steelers (who werent good or exciting) i lived through it, it was funny

Year____________Total Payroll____Record

2007
Baltimore Orioles $ 93,554,808 (61-83 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 38,537,833 (65-81 â?? 5th NL Central)

2006
Baltimore Orioles $ 72,585,582 (70-92 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 46,717,750 (67-95 â?? 5th NL Central)

2005
Baltimore Orioles $ 73,914,333 (74-88 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 38,133,000 (67-95 â?? Last NL Central)

2004
Baltimore Orioles $ 51,623,333 (78-84 â?? 3rd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 32,227,929 (72-89 â?? 5th NL Central)

2003
Baltimore Orioles $ 73,877,500 (71-91 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 54,812,429 (75-87 â?? 4th NL Central)

2002
Baltimore Orioles $ 60,493,487 (67-95 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 42,323,599 (72-89 - 4th NL Central)

2001
Baltimore Orioles $ 74,279,540 (63-98 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 57,760,833 (62-100 â?? Last NL Central)

2000
Baltimore Orioles $ 83,141,198 (74-88 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 26,561,667 (69-93 â?? 5th NL Central)

1999
Baltimore Orioles $ 70,818,363 (78-84 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 24,217,666 (78-83 â?? 3rd NL Central)

1998
Baltimore Orioles $ 70,408,134 (79-83 â?? 4th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 13,752,000 (69-93 â?? Last NL Central)

1997
Baltimore Orioles $ 54,871,399 (98-64 â?? 1st AL east)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 9,071,666 (79-83 â?? 2nd NL Central)

1996
Baltimore Orioles $ 48,726,832 (88-74 â?? 2nd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 21,253,500 (73-89 â?? Last NL Central)

1995
Baltimore Orioles $ 40,835,519 (71-73 - 3rd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 17,043,000 (58-68 â?? Last NL Central)

1994
Baltimore Orioles $ 37,669,769 (63-49)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 20,265,500 (53-61)

1993
Baltimore Orioles $ 26,914,000 (85-77 - 3rd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 23,565,667 (75-87 â?? 5th NL East)

1992
Baltimore Orioles $ 20,997,667 (89-73 â?? 3rd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 32,589,167 (96-66 â?? 1st NL East)

1991
Baltimore Orioles $ 14,627,334 (67-95 â?? Last AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 23,064,667 (98-64 - 1st NL East)

1990
Baltimore Orioles $ 10,037,084 (76-85 â?? 5th AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 15,656,000 (95-67 â?? 1st AL East)

1989
Baltimore Orioles $ 8,176,666 (85-75 â?? 2nd AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 11,993,500 (74-88 â?? 5th NL East)

1988
Baltimore Orioles $ 9,995,404 (54-107 â?? Last AL East)
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 7,627,500 (85-75 â?? 2nd NL East)

Total:
Baltimore $1 Billion (1491 Wins)
Pittsburgh $556 Million (1410 Wins)

Amount spent per win:
Baltimore: $670,690.81
Pittsburgh: $394,326.24

I still can't figure out why the NL Central has six teams and the AL West only has four teams. How is that fair?

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
and everyone cared more about the steelers (who werent good or exciting) i lived through it, it was funny

I see - different point. I've never lived in Pittsburgh despite being a Steelers and Bucco's fan (dad and grandfather lived there).

97…almost forgot about that year. good times

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
and everyone cared more about the steelers (who werent good or exciting) i lived through it, it was funny

I see - different point. I've never lived in Pittsburgh despite being a Steelers and Bucco's fan (dad and grandfather lived there).

oh the steeler run the area. women come to work in casey hampton jerseys on fridays and know where willie reid grew up. my dad got a lecture in home depot from a stranger about how his pirates shirt should be a steelers shirt. its pretty insane

not to say the early 90's werent fun to be a buccos/pens fan. what part of town is your dad and grandfather from?

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
what part of town is your dad and grandfather from?

No idea. My dad was not there long, but my grandfather (my mom's dad, actually) was there until after the war, then he moved to CA.

ah cool. that's the first think you hear at the steelers bar 'where yinz from'

I don't need them to win the world series (although that would be nice!). It would just be nice to see the O's have a winning season. Or at least be playing 500 ball.

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I still can't figure out why the NL Central has six teams and the AL West only has four teams. How is that fair?

because it takes 6 teams of nl central crap to match the 4 al west teams

More so than a new owner, I think the O's need a change in the GM level of the front office. Hopefully with the hiring of Andy MacPhail a few months ago, Angelos will hold to his word when he said he's going to give him full control and not meddle in the day to day operations of the team. MacPhail needs to take Angelos's money (which you can't say the O's need an owner who will spend more, they are 10th in MLB payroll this year) and put it to good use, signing young free agents, and extending the young talent that we do have, like Bedard, Markakis, Roberts, etc., not signing aging stars, or a $40 million bullpen

Oh yeah, get the issue with the damn jumbotron resolved too. sheeesh.

Originally posted by paul3mac:
Angelos will hold to his word when he said he's going to give him full control and not meddle in the day to day operations of the team.

This is the key. It doesn't matter who the GM is if Angelos continues to meddle. You're right that they don't need a new owner, they just need an owner who won't meddle, but I don't think Angelos can be that type of owner. Only time will tell though.

Originally posted by pdx pollard:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I still can't figure out why the NL Central has six teams and the AL West only has four teams. How is that fair?

because it takes 6 teams of nl central crap to match the 4 al west teams

LOL. yeah, that division shouldnt even get a playoff spot this year!