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Celeste

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 07:57 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rhett Miller: Who determines what is "peculiarly American" and what is "universally respected"? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>used to be the critics and now it's the critics and the big media conglomerates who can place their "art" in venues where people can see it an latch on…as for George Jones, I bet they (the critics, the papers) WILL make a big deal when he dies, and I don't consider him all that esoteric or peculiar…I heard of him when I was much younger AND didn't even like country music

ggw

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:00 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: Philosophy class always put me to sleep. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>As it required critical thinking and that put your brain into overload function, tripping the involuntary auto-shutoff switch.

markie

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:00 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Celeste: used to be the critics and now it's the critics and the big media conglomerates who can place their "art" in venues where people can see it an latch on…<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>what point are you trying to make here?Media moguls shovell art to try and hide the fact that all they are interested in is power and money. If you have them why not exercise them by commissioning an artist?Yeah, but so?

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:00 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: Visual arts such as painting are created, viewed, appreciated and mulled over throughout the world. Painting is universally respected.alright? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>unfortunately, I think painting is becoming less and less relevant, actually, maybe one of you more culturally cultured folks can pipe up here with the exact quote, but I remember hearing something about film taking over

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:01 PM UTC #

On a side note…I just heard on NPR that Ralph Stanley is a pop phenomenon…who'd have thought?!?

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:06 PM UTC #

Forgive my lack of knowledge of world music, but wouldn't most countries have their own form of "country music" just called something else? I mean simply put, it's rural folk music. Surely other countries around the world have their equivant? Apparently, Australia does. <A HREF="http://www.countrymusic.asn.au/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.countrymusic.asn.au/</A>; I'm sure various forms of visual artists all have their detractors. Thus wouldn't that qualify it from being "universally respected"? Is anything universally respected? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: Country music is peculiarly American. If someone from another country tries it they normally fake an American accent to sound authentic. Country sells much better in the US than anywhere else in the world. As far as I am aware CMT only airs in the US and Canada.So Country music is a Northern American phenom as far as I am concerned. Visual arts such as painting are created, viewed, appreciated and mulled over throughout the world. Painting is universally respected.alright? As for appreciating art, well thats simple, its pretty. What is the difference between seeing a great picture from reading a good book to listening to Sandinista!?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:06 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Celeste: unfortunately, I think painting is becoming less and less relevant, actually, maybe one of you more culturally cultured folks can pipe up here with the exact quote, but I remember hearing something about film taking over<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I dont know the quote, but film has seen its best days too, all the great directors are dead. Music and film share the fact that the mainstream has become less and less worthy and the only intersting things are now on the non-commercial fringes. Who would you give an oscar to this year?Plus film always was an easily commercialised medium. Entertainment that last 2-3 hours of sitting down.I think computer games are going to be the next thing that defines our culture. Now even game illiterate people will call me and say have you seen the new screen shot of BMX XXX or played Metal gear…..

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:09 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Celeste: unfortunately, I think painting is becoming less and less relevant, actually, maybe one of you more culturally cultured folks can pipe up here with the exact quote, but I remember hearing something about film taking over<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Interesting theory. I don't know if I believe it or not, but we have gone full circle from representational to non-representational, so there would appear to be little area left to explore in painting.Works that incorporate film, like Nam June Paik, are interesting, but I don't know if that's just a fad making use of new technology or truly the start of a new medium.I think that in the visual arts (and in music as well) we are just in one of those dead periods. Something revolutionary will eventually emerge, but I, for one, couldn't predict what it might be.

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:11 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Celeste: On a side note…I just heard on NPR that Ralph Stanley is a pop phenomenon…who'd have thought?!?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bluegrass is the new jazz.Ralph Stanley is the new John Coltrane.

markie

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:11 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: Forgive my lack of knowledge of world music, but wouldn't most countries have their own form of "country music" just called something else? I mean simply put, it's rural folk music. Surely other countries around the world have their equivant? Apparently, Australia does. <A HREF="http://www.countrymusic.asn.au/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.countrymusic.asn.au/</A>; I'm sure various forms of visual artists all have their detractors. Thus wouldn't that qualify it from being "universally respected"? Is anything universally respected? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think you would have to be pretty base to not appreciate visual arts on at least some level. I think painting is a medium that is universally respected by people with an IQ higher than say 100.As for country music, well I have not heard of any of those Australian bands. But country music originate with the celts and they spread around the world. Now commercial country music to me something that is associated with Nashville or the Nashville sound.

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:12 PM UTC #

So you're not willing to go out on a limb and predict it will be video games that will emerge? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ggw: Interesting theory. I don't know if I believe it or not, but we have gone full circle from representational to non-representational, so there would appear to be little area left to explore in painting.Works that incorporate film, like Nam June Paik, are interesting, but I don't know if that's just a fad making use of new technology or truly the start of a new medium.I think that in the visual arts (and in music as well) we are just in one of those dead periods. Something revolutionary will eventually emerge, but I, for one, couldn't predict what it might be.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:15 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: So you're not willing to go out on a limb and predict it will be video games that will emerge? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>what do you think will emerge?

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:25 PM UTC #

If I knew that, I wouldn't be working here. I'm not really somebody who has my finger on what is hip and trendy or what will be the cultural interests of the future. I guess it's a sign of becoming an old man…just liking what you like and not worrying about what the next big thing is. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: what do you think will emerge?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:32 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: So you're not willing to go out on a limb and predict it will be video games that will emerge? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm guessing you are being facetious?Video games rake in as much money as the music industry.

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:35 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ggw: I'm guessing you are being facetious?Video games rake in as much money as the music industry.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>raking in money is not a disqualifier, though I'm not sure that's what you mean…I would not discount video games as being "the new media", so to speak, though I can't say I'm into it

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:36 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ggw: I'm guessing you are being facetious?Video games rake in as much money as the music industry.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>yet they are not considered art, just entertainment. I predict that this will eventually change.BTW, did you notice in one post Henry asked you what you thought would be the next big thing, then in the next post he said he didnt care what the next big thing would be. What a strange guy.

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:37 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: If I knew that, I wouldn't be working here. I'm not really somebody who has my finger on what is hip and trendy or what will be the cultural interests of the future. I guess it's a sign of becoming an old man…just liking what you like and not worrying about what the next big thing is. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nam June Paik, who is considered the foremost artist incorporating video in his work, was in his forties when he got into the genre. And Grandma Moses, of course……Just because one is chronologically old doesn't mean one can't be open to new ideas.

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:38 PM UTC #

No, I meant I persoanlly don't care what the next big thing is, but I'd be interested in hearing what GGW thought the next big thing is. In fact, I'd probably find people's opinions in general about what the next big thing is to be more interesting than what the big thing actually turned out to be. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: yet they are not considered art, just entertainment. I predict that this will eventually change.BTW, did you notice in one post Henry asked you what you thought would be the next big thing, then in the next post he said he didnt care what the next big thing would be. What a strange guy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:39 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ggw: Interesting theory. I don't know if I believe it or not, but we have gone full circle from representational to non-representational, so there would appear to be little area left to explore in painting.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I found out that it was a painter in the 1800s that said "Painting is Dead" after he saw some photography…Delaroche…clearly, we now see that painting wasn't dead then and simply moved on to non-representationl explorations…my comment was more about what is accessible to people as far as expressing a message to them…before TV and movies, and before more people were literate, paintings–pictures–were more relevant in that regard…

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Re: Joe Strummer R.I.P. December 27, 2002 at 08:41 PM UTC #

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: BTW, did you notice in one post Henry asked you what you thought would be the next big thing, then in the next post he said he didnt care what the next big thing would be. What a strange guy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>he is an enigma, wrapped in a riddle, wrapped in a mighty sexy bod