And the Buzzcocks are still my personal favorite punk band of all time :) The Damned would be up there too. But it's hard not to love the Ramones.
Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
Originally posted by bearman:But McLaren put the dolls into their red patent leather phase. It was his idea.
The Sex Pistols were totally about fashion ultimately. They were Malcolm Mclaren's little fantasy since he didn't know how to manage the NY Dolls in their patent red leather phase. He just lucked out that they actually wrote some good songs but ultimately it was a lot of scandal. I can see why Johnny Rotten quit when they did.
The scandal sold records which mad money and Mclaren rich and famous. Mission Accomplished.
In the mean time the pistols made one great album and made punk famous, giving a leg up to so many other punk and then new-wave bands.
But Beyonce has told a whole lot more records.
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
Punk is as American as baseball and apple pie.
'Nuff said.
ramones are my favorite of the three, in addition to who i feel were most influential.
they really kickstarted the whole movement. plain and simple. you don't even have to like them to acknowledge that.
plus, look at how many bands today were influenced bare bones by the ramones! it's a much longer list than any started by the clash or pistols…
they really kickstarted the whole movement. plain and simple. you don't even have to like them to acknowledge that.
plus, look at how many bands today were influenced bare bones by the ramones! it's a much longer list than any started by the clash or pistols…
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:Yeah that is right. Do a google image search for punk, you'll never see a union jack.
Punk is as American as baseball and apple pie.
'Nuff said.
:roll:
Originally posted by canker-blossom:I agree…I think the Clash has the best output, but in terms of influence Pistols and Ramones were more singularly important to starting a new scene/genre/mode of playing, appreciating and positioning music and live shows.
Then again the clash have the best body of work and showed complete mastery of pop music.
Ditto that the Buzzcocks are my fave, though.
Drive By Truckers dude!! Yee fuckin' ha!!
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
But Beyonce has told a whole lot more records.
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
Punk is as American as baseball and apple pie.
'Nuff said.
The Dead Kennedys are my favorite.
Originally posted by bearman:
And the Buzzcocks are still my personal favorite punk band of all time :) The Damned would be up there too. But it's hard not to love the Ramones.
Originally posted by you be betty:Sure the ramones, were before the velvet underground and MC5 and Iggy Pop.
ramones are my favorite of the three, in addition to who i feel were most influential.
they really kickstarted the whole movement. plain and simple. you don't even have to like them to acknowledge that.
plus, look at how many bands today were influenced bare bones by the ramones! it's a much longer list than any started by the clash or pistols…
:roll:
clearly the biggest influence on today's punk bands is Green Day!!!!!!!
Sorry pal, Punk Rock is an American export. Sure the Brits put a safety pin in it, gave it a mowhawk, whatever. There were some truly great great punk bands from the UK, but that doesn't change where it came from.
Originally posted by canker-blossom:
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:Yeah that is right. Do a google image search for punk, you'll never see a union jack.
Punk is as American as baseball and apple pie.
'Nuff said.
:roll:
The answer is simple: Jack White. :D
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:I think you mean Jack Black
The answer is simple: Jack White. :D
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:Yeah it came from here when you all broke down what the beatles and stones were doing.
but that doesn't change where it came from.
Originally posted by canker-blossom:
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:Yeah that is right. Do a google image search for punk, you'll never see a union jack.
Punk is as American as baseball and apple pie.
'Nuff said.
:roll:
But punk would have not acheived a fraction of the notoriety without the pistols. And so is no longer like fat men with no talent in tight clothes or dessert.
"The first ongoing music scene that was assigned the "punk" label appeared in New York in 1974-1976 with a handful of bands that played regularly at the club CBGB's in New York's Bowery district, including The Ramones, Television, Blondie, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, and Talking Heads. The "punk" title was applied to these groups by early 1976, when Punk Magazine first appeared, featuring these bands alongside articles on some of the immediate role models for the new groups, such as Lou Reed, who was on the cover of the first issue of Punk, and Patti Smith, cover subject on the second issue.So says wikipedia and so shall it be.
During this same period, punk bands were forming independently in other locations as well, such as The Saints in Brisbane, Australia, and The Stranglers and the Sex Pistols in London.
An oft-cited moment in the history of punk rock is the July 4, 1976 concert by the Ramones at the Roundhouse in London (the Stranglers were also on the bill). Many of the future leaders of the UK punk rock scene were inspired by the show, and almost immediately after that show, UK punk rock was in full swing, defined by the radical fashions and rowdy behavior of the punk fans as much as by the bands, who included the Sex Pistols, The Damned (the first band to market an album as "punk"), The Clash, The Slits, and Siouxsie and the Banshees. Early punk bands were operating within small "scenes" that included other bands and solo performers as well as enthusiastic impresarios who operated small nightclubs that provided a showcase and meeting place for the emerging musicians (the 100 Club in London, CBGB in New York, and The Masque in Hollywood are among the best known early punk clubs). The UK punks quickly exceeded the boundaries of their local scenes to produce major hit records in the UK, and to grab sensationalistic headlines worldwide. The UK scene has largely come to define "punk rock" in the popular imagination."
Originally posted by general grievous:Look, as long as it's NOT Loretta Lynn, I can live with it.
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:I think you mean Jack Black
The answer is simple: Jack White. :D
Originally posted by canker-blossom:OK if you wanna take this down that super lame road then Little Richard, Jerry Lee, Buddy Holly started punk rock.
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:Yeah it came from here when you all broke down what the beatles and stones were doing.
but that doesn't change where it came from.
Originally posted by canker-blossom:
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:Yeah that is right. Do a google image search for punk, you'll never see a union jack.
Punk is as American as baseball and apple pie.
'Nuff said.
:roll:
But punk would have not acheived a fraction of the notoriety without the pistols. And so is no longer like fat men with no talent in tight clothes or dessert.
No one would argue that pistols brought notoriety to punk rock, but any sane person that knows shit about music knows that punk rock originated in the states, and not the UK.
Iggy may be the godfather of punk, but if it weren't for the Ramones, it would have never have influenced England the way it did.
And the MC5 and the Velvet Underground have NOTHING to do with punk. Sorry, but the MC5 have more in common with CCR than they do with the Ramones. They just weren't really breaking THAT much new ground. They were on the right track, but they just didn't quite do it. Now the Stooges on the other hand are a different story.
And the MC5 and the Velvet Underground have NOTHING to do with punk. Sorry, but the MC5 have more in common with CCR than they do with the Ramones. They just weren't really breaking THAT much new ground. They were on the right track, but they just didn't quite do it. Now the Stooges on the other hand are a different story.
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:Yes. I know. It originated in the US of A. But it is no longer apple pie and baseball. As GGW's wikipedia article summarises in its last sentence.
punk rock originated in the states, and not the UK.