Originally posted by canker-blossom:The key word in that last sentance being "imagination".
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:Yes. I know. It originated in the US of A. But it is no longer apple pie and baseball. As GGW's wikipedia article summarises in its last sentence.
punk rock originated in the states, and not the UK.
Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
well you cant count out how infleuntial Jonathan Richman and Modern Lovers and T. Rex were on punk…
I've mentioned this record before but it bears repeating in this thread. Glitterbest collects 20 Pre Punk and Glam songs released by obscure bands between 1971 to 1976. It's an interesting collection in that you can hear the roots of the sound that became "punk". And for Canker it has a early version of The Only Ones on it.
Glitterbest @ Allmusic
I've mentioned this record before but it bears repeating in this thread. Glitterbest collects 20 Pre Punk and Glam songs released by obscure bands between 1971 to 1976. It's an interesting collection in that you can hear the roots of the sound that became "punk". And for Canker it has a early version of The Only Ones on it.
Glitterbest @ Allmusic
Originally posted by bearman:Yeah, but If it were not for Malcolm Mclaren the pistols and the clash would not have gone to that roundhouse gig.
Iggy may be the godfather of punk, but if it weren't for the Ramones, it would have never have influenced England the way it did.
And the MC5 and the Velvet Underground have NOTHING to do with punk. Sorry, but the MC5 have more in common with CCR than they do with the Ramones. They just weren't really breaking THAT much new ground. They were on the right track, but they just didn't quite do it. Now the Stooges on the other hand are a different story.
But the stories of iggy pop and the MC5 are intertwined. The velvet underground and nico sounds an awful lot like the beginnings of punk to me. It influenced plenty of people in its own right.
The clash oft cited MC5.
who the fuck cares, everybody knows america rules
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:You need a dictionary to understand English.
"imagination".
i·mag·i·na·tion P Pronunciation Key (-mj-nshn)
n.
The formation of a mental image of something that is neither perceived as real nor present to the senses.
The mental image so formed.
The ability or tendency to form such images.
The ability to confront and deal with reality by using the creative power of the mind; resourcefulness: handled the problems with great imagination.
A traditional or widely held belief or opinion.
Archaic.
An unrealistic idea or notion; a fancy.
A plan or scheme.
Originally posted by general grievous:http://umerica.ld.infoseek.co.jp/
who the fuck cares, everybody knows america rules
Punk Rock is for the whole world! <img src="http://www.hot.ee/ramonestribute/f_39g9.jpg" alt=" - " />
the thing is alot of bands in thier early stages could be "punk"… there are some early stones songs which have that "punk" attitude, mixed with a fury and primitive sound. early garage bands were the "punks" of their time.
Malcolm Mclaren is a twat who ruined punk rock. I wouldn't give him credit for anything. He saw a chance to grab some cash and make a stir, he has no soul and I respect Johnny Rotten for doing the right thing and ending the band when he did.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:but most glam people disappeared during punk. It reflects the only non-record releasing time for Bowie for instance….
well you cant count out how infleuntial Jonathan Richman and Modern Lovers and T. Rex were on punk…
Originally posted by general grievous:There was nothing punk about Sister Golden Hair or Horse with No Name
who the fuck cares, everybody knows america rules
Originally posted by bearman:That is all as maybe. But if it were not for Mclaren there might not have ever been any British punk at all. His trip to N.Y. is probably the most influential act for British music in the entire period.
Malcolm Mclaren is a twat who ruined punk rock. I wouldn't give him credit for anything. He saw a chance to grab some cash and make a stir, he has no soul and I respect Johnny Rotten for doing the right thing and ending the band when he did.
Ha! Or how about "Ventura Highway"?
What about Seals and Crofts?
What about Seals and Crofts?
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:Muskrat Love and Tin Man were punk as punk could be though.
Originally posted by general grievous:There was nothing punk about Sister Golden Hair or Horse with No Name
who the fuck cares, everybody knows america rules
I don't know who started it and I don't give a fuck. The one thing I do know is that we did it harder, we did it faster, and we definitely did it with more love, baby. You can't take that away from us.
Originally posted by canker-blossom:Don't you think if Marc Bolan had lived he would have kept in one form or another the Glam flame going?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:but most glam people disappeared during punk. It reflects the only non-record releasing time for Bowie for instance….
well you cant count out how infleuntial Jonathan Richman and Modern Lovers and T. Rex were on punk…
But glam was also considered the disposable pop of it's time… never expected to have much of a shelf life. the thing is it stands the test of time better than say pub-rock or hairmetal
You think that Mclaren was the one who told 2,000 kids to go see the Ramones at the Roundhouse? Everyone thought he was an idiot. Read "England's Dreaming" and you'll see plenty of folks from that time period only went into his store so they could steal from him. He destroyed everything he touched, he didn't give a crap about the music…it was about fashion, trends, and making money. That's just the truth.
Originally posted by bearman:Did it sell out? I really have no idea how full that show was. But what would have been the draw of the other band(s)?
You think that Mclaren was the one who told 2,000 kids to go see the Ramones at the Roundhouse?
I do know that the pistols and the clash would not have been there if it were not for Mclaren.
True about the Pistols because he managed them, but not the Clash.
as if malcolm was any different from any other person wanting to make money from the music industry…