Which band has had the most influence on music today and which one in your estimation is the best? I know they are all completely different in their own right. I believe, for me, that it is the Ramones. However the other night I saw the Filth and Fury documentary about the Sex Pistols and it made me think for a moment that the Pistols may have been more important than the Clash. That being said, I believe that the Clash to be a way more important and influential band than the Pistols. Any thoughts? Bored at work…
Clash vs. Ramones vs. Sex Pistols
We saw this fat lady at the airport back in late 2001, and dubbed her "Osama Big Fattie". I wonder which band had more influence on her. Probably none of the above.
Of the three, only the Ramones are worth owning so much as a single CD by. So, I guess them.
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Of the three, only the Ramones are worth owning so much as a single CD by. So, I guess them.
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:Apparently someone has taken "Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue" a little too literally.
Of the three, only the Ramones are worth owning so much as a single CD by.
yeah, never mind the bollocks.
All 3 are very different for very different reasons. My thoughts on each below:
1) The Ramones – Clearly the inventors of a style of music that was copied by many imitators. They essentially reinvented the wheel: they said what they had to say in as little time as possible, stripped out the filler and returned rock'n'roll to its proper beginnings as catchy, tuneful, and simple. But the world was SO not ready for them at that point in time, which is the case of most work from a creative genius.
2) The Sex Pistols – Mind you, I love the Pistols but they destroyed the hope of punk rock. No record label wanted to touch punk rock when it ended up on the front page of the newspaper. Strung out on dope, vomiting, cursing, bleeding, fighting, pierced with safety pins, etc. Seymour Stein wanted to quit classifying bands punk rock and instead embrace the term "new wave". The Sex Pistols essentially proved that if bands were just going to self destruct there was no point in investing in bands like the Ramones or the Damned. It just didn't make sense if you were a businessman.
3) The Clash – The most diverse of the the 3, the one that got the most attention and critical praise at the time of their existence. A brilliant band, but the ones who strayed most from the punk rock formula. They had starry eyes and pretty much peaked and then self-distructed rapidly. A hugely dynamic output, but I still have to say the Ramones understood rock'n'roll better. Not that the Clash are overrated by any means. It just got to a point where they did what they had to do to sell records and CBS took the ball and ran with it. The Ramones were just never in that position no matter how hard they tried. Instead, it took countless imitators to finally break through.
1) The Ramones – Clearly the inventors of a style of music that was copied by many imitators. They essentially reinvented the wheel: they said what they had to say in as little time as possible, stripped out the filler and returned rock'n'roll to its proper beginnings as catchy, tuneful, and simple. But the world was SO not ready for them at that point in time, which is the case of most work from a creative genius.
2) The Sex Pistols – Mind you, I love the Pistols but they destroyed the hope of punk rock. No record label wanted to touch punk rock when it ended up on the front page of the newspaper. Strung out on dope, vomiting, cursing, bleeding, fighting, pierced with safety pins, etc. Seymour Stein wanted to quit classifying bands punk rock and instead embrace the term "new wave". The Sex Pistols essentially proved that if bands were just going to self destruct there was no point in investing in bands like the Ramones or the Damned. It just didn't make sense if you were a businessman.
3) The Clash – The most diverse of the the 3, the one that got the most attention and critical praise at the time of their existence. A brilliant band, but the ones who strayed most from the punk rock formula. They had starry eyes and pretty much peaked and then self-distructed rapidly. A hugely dynamic output, but I still have to say the Ramones understood rock'n'roll better. Not that the Clash are overrated by any means. It just got to a point where they did what they had to do to sell records and CBS took the ball and ran with it. The Ramones were just never in that position no matter how hard they tried. Instead, it took countless imitators to finally break through.
Originally posted by jardison:London was probably calling to beg someone to put them out of their misery.
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:London Calling!!!???!!!
Of the three, only the Ramones are worth owning so much as a single CD by. So, I guess them.
i'd go: ramones, then the clash, then the pistols far behind. as far as who 15 year old me enjoyed the most, that is.
Originally posted by bearman:it seems like every british band i read about that started in the late 70s got together because they went to a pistols show in '77
2) The Sex Pistols
If the question is which of the three had most influence, then it cannot be the clash.
At the start clash and Bernie Rhodes their manager were copying whatever the pistols and Mclaren did.
The pistols in turn were copying what the Americans did, torn t-shirts, Richard Hell was there first and on and on.
So maybe The ramones were the most influential.
Then again the clash have the best body of work and showed complete mastery of pop music.
At the start clash and Bernie Rhodes their manager were copying whatever the pistols and Mclaren did.
The pistols in turn were copying what the Americans did, torn t-shirts, Richard Hell was there first and on and on.
So maybe The ramones were the most influential.
Then again the clash have the best body of work and showed complete mastery of pop music.
Did I ever tell you about the blue haired girl that gave me tickets and a backstage pass to the Pixies in London back in '89? Gets me all choked up just thinking about it.
Check back to July 4th weekend, 1976 when the Pistols, Clash, etc. all went to see the Ramones play at the Roundhouse. That's the one event that essentially kick-started punk in England. Though the Damned were technically the first British punk band to release a record (the New Rose 7"), the Ramones were still the ones who disrupted English sensibilities and that's when punk rock took off.
Ramones for sheer poetry.
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When I was in my teens I would have said the pistols. In my 20s, the clash. But now the ramones by far. I still listen to them all the time. They seem way less gonzo and bubblegum to me now than they did way back when, but that's probably just me.
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Popping Phenobarbital
Life is so beautful
I've gone mental
When I was in my teens I would have said the pistols. In my 20s, the clash. But now the ramones by far. I still listen to them all the time. They seem way less gonzo and bubblegum to me now than they did way back when, but that's probably just me.
Originally posted by bearman:Yeah it is a technicality as the pistols were pissed off as they saw the damned as pretenders who were copying them.
Though the Damned were technically the first British punk band to release a record (the New Rose 7")
Originally posted by bearman:But kick-starting punk in England made punk famous. Without the English punks the whole scene might never have acheived infamy.
kick-started punk in England.
The Buzzcocks can lay claim to being infleuntial on the "punk" of today…. Less political than The Clash, Less image oriented than the Sex Pistols, more personal angst, however exceedingly more clever than most thats followed them.
I'll bet you were barely alive that weekend.
I was with my mom that weekend. She had entered a painting contest at the Fort Edward Art Center for paintings with a bicentennial theme. My mom had done a painting of an old covered bridge, choosing to go subtle in her theme, and was beaten by a bunch of overly patriotic-themed crap paintings. Still brings a tear to my eye.
I was with my mom that weekend. She had entered a painting contest at the Fort Edward Art Center for paintings with a bicentennial theme. My mom had done a painting of an old covered bridge, choosing to go subtle in her theme, and was beaten by a bunch of overly patriotic-themed crap paintings. Still brings a tear to my eye.
Originally posted by bearman:
Check back to July 4th weekend, 1976 when the Pistols, Clash, etc. all went to see the Ramones play at the Roundhouse. That's the one event that essentially kick-started punk in England. Though the Damned were technically the first British punk band to release a record (the New Rose 7"), the Ramones were still the ones who disrupted English sensibilities and that's when punk rock took off.
The Sex Pistols were totally about fashion ultimately. They were Malcolm Mclaren's little fantasy since he didn't know how to manage the NY Dolls in their patent red leather phase. He just lucked out that they actually wrote some good songs but ultimately it was a lot of scandal. I can see why Johnny Rotten quit when they did.
Punk is as American as baseball and apple pie.
'Nuff said.
'Nuff said.