why you gotta be disrespecting blacks Imus!!!!

Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by RatBastard:
I only believe it because it is a fact. Granted one of the most visible and qute frankly highly offensive issues that fell under the states rights umbrella was the slavery issue, however that issue -> in and of itself <- was not the cause behind the conflict.
pass the pipe, 'cause i want some of that stuff… seriously, saying that the war was caused by a generalized, legalistic "state vs federal" dissagreement is simply wrong. was the North up in arms about education budgets? were Southern states going to war for the right to conduct foreign trade and affairs?

please argue against this: "if the North had not insisted on abolition, or if the South was willing to abandon slavery, the Civil War would never have happened." i double-dog dare you.
actually, the south had previously attempted to secede for that exact reason- tariffs. john c. calhoun, then vp to pres. andrew jackson, put forth the theory of nullification, that is, the constitution is nothing more than a pact between states, whereby a state can take or leave a law that they don't like. in this case, calhoun and the south were upset over the federal govts. tariff and foreign trade laws. the south viewed the laws as favorable to northern shipping interests and against southern farmed (cotton) interests, and threatened to secede and make their own laws. jackson would have none of that and sent the military to south carolina to quell the threat.

i think you need to read some bio's on lincoln. he by no means was an abolitionist, in fact, he was only opposed to the extension of slavery into new territories, but was content on letting slavery stay in current states, being of the belief that slavery was inefficient and on the way to disappearing. it was only DURING the war did lincoln begin to view the issue of slavery as being part of the war.

i leave you with this-

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862).
Kosmo, would it be possible to lock this thread?
Originally posted by Buck Satan:
Originally posted by DriveWay:
How come no one ever brings up the movie "White Chicks?"
Because they are making fun of white people, that is allowed.
It is about context! They did it to be comical, because they are comedians. Don Imus is not!!
Don Imus is going down. You must pay for what you say. When you spew hate, this is what happens.
Originally posted by bull930:
Don Imus is going down.
On your mama.
Originally posted by bull930:
Don Imus is going down. You must pay for what you say. When you spew hate, this is what happens.
You seem a bit of a racist to me actually, because you're going way over the top over this in my opinion. I wonder if some black commentator had said exactly the same thing you'd be going for the jugular with the same enthusiasm?

My mother always said, "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" and that's how I feel to be honest.

BTW…I didn't know who the hell this Imus character was before this bru-ha-ha, so CBS got mission accomplished if you ask me. PUBLICITY BABY!!!!
Bull930:
It is about context! They did it to be comical, because they are comedians. Don Imus is not!!
Actually, a large part of the Imus show is (was?) comedy. Imus, and especially his sidekick, regularly assume various personas. For example, they regularly impersonate Dr. Phil on the show. I think this is what the bit was about. However, it wasn't very funny and was in poor taste.
I got this email from Hillary's campaign yesterday. This is one of the most disgusting political moves I have ever seen and is political opportunism at its worse.

Dear Friend,

When our children are young, we teach them to dream big and reach for the stars, and that if they work hard enough they can accomplish anything.

This year the Rutgers women's basketball team defied the odds and lived up to their dreams, providing inspiration to every little boy and girl beginning to pick up a ball or open a book. These remarkable young women reached the pinnacle of success and won the hearts of basketball fans everywhere with their grace, skill, and poise. They are role models deserving our praise – and our support.

Don Imus's comments about them were nothing more than small-minded bigotry and coarse sexism. They showed a disregard for basic decency and were disrespectful and degrading to African Americans and women everywhere.

Please join me in sending the young women of Rutgers a message of respect and support. Show them that we are proud to stand with them and for them.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/respect

Sincerely,

Hillary Rodham Clinton
Originally posted by bull930:
Originally posted by Buck Satan:
Originally posted by DriveWay:
How come no one ever brings up the movie "White Chicks?"
Because they are making fun of white people, that is allowed.
It is about context! They did it to be comical, because they are comedians. Don Imus is not!!
So… If a bunch of white guys got together, dressed up as black chicks and embraced all of the stereotypes of black women and called it a "comedy," it would acceptable? Somehow, I'm sure Al Sharpton wouldn't agree with you…

Does the NAACP get involved when African Americans are "racist" toward other ethnicities? I haven't researched this, I'm actually curious.
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Mark needs a scholarship to get into Harvard. There's one more available for a black student. The problem is Mark's not black… Yet. He didn't give up. He got down.
I'm guessing that is poking fun at a white bloke trying to be black……I think there's a name for that too! ;)
http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html

Imus isnâ??t the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. Youâ??ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

Youâ??ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

Youâ??ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like itâ??s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While weâ??re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, Iâ??m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Centâ??s or Snoop Doggâ??s or Young Jeezyâ??s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ainâ??t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they donâ??t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

Itâ??s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

Iâ??m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didnâ??t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That shouldâ??ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, itâ??s only the beginning. Itâ??s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, weâ??re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgersâ?? wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I donâ??t listen or watch Imusâ?? show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that itâ??s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that theyâ??re suckers for pursuing education and that theyâ??re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and Iâ??ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is â?? a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when youâ??re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. Thereâ??s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

To reach Jason Whitlock, call (816) 234-4869 or send e-mail to jwhitlock@kcstar.com. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com
glad to see the folks in Kansas City have a grasp on social issues!

:roll:
Appratently, Don Imus has nothing on Tony Blair.

And, no, I'm not linking to the article regarding Mr. Blair's statements. I'm wary even posting this.

Brian
Would you say that to his face and roll your eyes? Maybe you could email him or give him a call.

:roll:
Originally posted by le sonick:
glad to see the folks in Kansas City have a grasp on social issues!

:roll:
Whitlock is nationally syndicated and I'd dare say Kansas is more a mailing address for him these days, but he's 1000% right.

I just hate the intellectual dishonesty of this whole thing, especially from those carrying the torches and measuring the knooses. The fact that others say much worst with impunity doesn't give Imus cover, but those going after him really must start with the problems closer to home, THAT REALLY MATTER.
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Originally posted by bull930:
Don Imus is going down. You must pay for what you say. When you spew hate, this is what happens.
You seem a bit of a racist to me actually, because you're going way over the top over this in my opinion. I wonder if some black commentator had said exactly the same thing you'd be going for the jugular with the same enthusiasm?

My mother always said, "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" and that's how I feel to be honest.

BTW…I didn't know who the hell this Imus character was before this bru-ha-ha, so CBS got mission accomplished if you ask me. PUBLICITY BABY!!!!
Roadbike you know bull930 doesn't have subtle in his vocabulary, the bulk of his missives are hyperbolic but we don't want to dampen spirit here do we? The piling on in this case seems extremely self-serving for the lynchmob who find it much easier to exclaim intolerance for a bonehead commentator than tackle the rap community that has debased hip hop to the point it's unrecognizable from what was purported to be the Black CNN by Chuck D.
i love jason whitlock … although i kind wish he'd stop whining about ESPN and lupica in every column
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Would you say that to his face and roll your eyes? Maybe you could email him or give him a call.

:roll:
not really sure why you think that i would be afraid of him just cause he's fat!

but yeah, if he was standing in front of me, i'd call him a "portly midwesterner"

and i dont think that just cause he's black, he'd beat me up.