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sonickteam2
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 03:46 PM UTC #
Originally posted by pollard:
(except for sonick who is complaining on both threads :D )
i only complained when the lineup first was posted, and it was just a few bands each day.

all of which besides Sonic Youth and BRMC sucked. once the full lineup was posted i decided to go (for one day)

has anyone stated that the ticket sales were slow cause NO ONE LIKES MORRISSEY.

sure he sold out shows in LA and NYC but those places do not reflect the entire country.

oh, and the quasi hippie fans (ones who would like String Cheese) have like 20 other festivals to go to this summmer.
markie
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 03:49 PM UTC #
There were plenty of other acts I was interested in seeing…

Flaming lips, Von Bodies, BRMC, elbow, Sparta.

All come straight to mind. But that is the point of a festival, from a bands perspective, right? Its a bands big chance to get fans of other bands to see them live and convert them into new fans.

And as a fan its a chance to see bands you would not normally see.
TomJaworski
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 03:54 PM UTC #
If NO ONE LIKES MORRISSEY, then why did his new album debut at #11 on the billboard charts. Nothing against Sonic Youth or BRMC (both good bands) but they couldn't sell that many records.
sonickteam2
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 03:57 PM UTC #
Originally posted by mark e smith:

And as a fan its a chance to see bands you would not normally see.
its VERY surprising to hear that from you, but that is always my good point for large shows.
sure they cost a little more, especially like Coachella and Austin City Limits, but how many bands did i see in the last two years at Coachella that i may have never bought a ticket just to see them, or even bought thier CD , but after seeing them "by chance" at Coachella, i have since bought CDs and gone to thier shows.

Ben Harper
Idlewild
Fischerspooner
Q and not U
!!!
Basement Jaxx

just to name a few. its a great point and its kind of interesting to see bands playing thier hearts out in front of 5 times as many people as they ever have, opposed to just another night in a bar.

I'll tell you this, anyone who thinks seeing a band at the 930 club or patriot center is the same as seeing them at Coachella or another festival, is just plain flat out wrong.

sorry bout all that, i got on a roll ;)
kosmo
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 03:57 PM UTC #
while skeeter has a good point regarding time, for me it was a chance to catch up and see some bands i've missed for whatever reason. see what all the fuss was about… decide who i might want to see or avoid in the future. plus, i think shorter festival sets cause bands to trim the fat and play the "crowd" pleaser stuff.
sonickteam2
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 03:58 PM UTC #
Originally posted by LonnieBeale:
If NO ONE LIKES MORRISSEY, then why did his new album debut at #11 on the billboard charts. Nothing against Sonic Youth or BRMC (both good bands) but they couldn't sell that many records.
HYPE. need i say more?
markie
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 04:03 PM UTC #
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by LonnieBeale:
If NO ONE LIKES MORRISSEY, then why did his new album debut at #11 on the billboard charts. Nothing against Sonic Youth or BRMC (both good bands) but they couldn't sell that many records.
HYPE. need i say more?
I dont know about this release, but traditionally Morrissey releases enter the charts very high up in the first week and then completely disappear by the second week.

Fans are fanatical, no one else cares.
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 04:12 PM UTC #
Originally posted by mark e smith:
But that is the point of a festival, from a bands perspective, right? Its a bands big chance to get fans of other bands to see them live and convert them into new fans.
So we must remember this for next year when everyone cries why their favorite bands are playing the street stage at the HFEstival.
sonickteam2
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 04:22 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
But that is the point of a festival, from a bands perspective, right? Its a bands big chance to get fans of other bands to see them live and convert them into new fans.
So we must remember this for next year when everyone cries why their favorite bands are playing the street stage at the HFEstival.
well, thats going a bit far. he meant new bands, not Papa Roach and POD!
Guiny
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 04:36 PM UTC #
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
But that is the point of a festival, from a bands perspective, right? Its a bands big chance to get fans of other bands to see them live and convert them into new fans.
So we must remember this for next year when everyone cries why their favorite bands are playing the street stage at the HFEstival.
well, thats going a bit far. he meant new bands, not Papa Roach and POD!
Modest Mouse and The Yeah Yeah Yeah's were there. They seem to be popular bands around here.
mankie
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 04:42 PM UTC #
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
has anyone stated that the ticket sales were slow cause NO ONE LIKES MORRISSEY.

sure he sold out shows in LA and NYC but those places do not reflect the entire country.

That has got to be the most stupid statement ever posted on this message board, Rhett's included.
godsshoeshine
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 04:45 PM UTC #
plenty of people like morrisey. do they like him enough to take off work to see a truncated set? obviously not
mankie
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 04:46 PM UTC #
Evidently the Pixies reunion was the second coming of christ…so why the hell didn't they sellout lolla on their own?
sonickteam2
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 04:47 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
has anyone stated that the ticket sales were slow cause NO ONE LIKES MORRISSEY.

sure he sold out shows in LA and NYC but those places do not reflect the entire country.

That has got to be the most stupid statement ever posted on this message board, Rhett's included.
ok, some people still like him, but only old farts like you. and they dont want to sit at dirty pavilions and have to wait through other bands and what not.

Constitution Hall is the place for Morrissey.

bollocks to you.
Guiny
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 04:50 PM UTC #
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Constitution Hall is the place for Morrissey.
More like some small smokey bar on Wilson BLVD. But since I've never seen him, I'd probably go.
vansmack
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 05:04 PM UTC #
I'm a little bit surprised that no one (including Seth in his quotes in the paper, although I know he has to be couth for the papers and not bite the feeders in public) is accusing Lollapalooza of biting off more than it could chew.

This tour was dormant for six years, they have one good comeback year, and then they think they can bring Caochella to your doorstep and people will go? I mean, two days? This was the first year Coachella even sold out both days, and it took people to travel from all over the America's to sell it out and a Pixies reunion (without the news of a tour to follow at the time of ticket sales).

If I'm not mistaken, even the radio shows didn't do two day shows this year. I know KROQ only did a one day show.

So to blame the type of music the bands play is one thing, but at some point the organizers have to look at themselves and say, "hey, we made a mistake and thought we could do more than we were able to do."

I think paring down the bands and doing a one day show probably would have been the way to go (I know, hindsight is 20-20). But even when alternative rock was at its peak, the Pearl Jam/Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins/Beastie Boys Lolla's were only one day affairs.

So I think it's a bit unfair to only blame the type of music, though I am selling all my indie CDs to Amoeba right now and buying the billboard top 100 so this doesn't happen to me again.

What's that you say, Britney cancelled her tour too? When did she become alternative?
mankie
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 05:11 PM UTC #
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
has anyone stated that the ticket sales were slow cause NO ONE LIKES MORRISSEY.

sure he sold out shows in LA and NYC but those places do not reflect the entire country.

That has got to be the most stupid statement ever posted on this message board, Rhett's included.
ok, some people still like him, but only old farts like you. and they dont want to sit at dirty pavilions and have to wait through other bands and what not.

Constitution Hall is the place for Morrissey.

bollocks to you.
Why are people like you trying to blame the whole failure of LL on Moz? I'm not defending him at all, but for crying out loud, all these other AWSOME BANDS THAT RAWK DUDE… that were in the lineup are not selling tickets either.

…and if Moz sells out LA and NY and is a huge draw for Glastonbury, then maybe the 'rest of the country' needs to realize there's a reason why.
El Tee
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 05:19 PM UTC #
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
has anyone stated that the ticket sales were slow cause NO ONE LIKES MORRISSEY.

sure he sold out shows in LA and NYC but those places do not reflect the entire country.

That has got to be the most stupid statement ever posted on this message board, Rhett's included.
ok, some people still like him, but only old farts like you. and they dont want to sit at dirty pavilions and have to wait through other bands and what not.

Constitution Hall is the place for Morrissey.

bollocks to you.
I doubt ONE act caused everyone to refrain from buying a ticket and thus cancelling the tour. However, I am an old fart. I couldn't purchase a ticket until I could confirm the day off from work. It sucks to be an adult.

Separately, it seems that people take their time to buy tickets around here (the old farts). I know they mention sales lacking in other cities, but I wonder if this is a trend in this area?
scumpond
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Re: no lolla.. June 23, 2004 at 05:22 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Evidently the Pixies reunion was the second coming of christ…so why the hell didn't they sellout lolla on their own?
Pixies were just in NYC, and that show was selling well.

This tour did not work because there was no really strong headliner, period. There is not a problem with attendance at "Alternative" shows generally (just look at all of the sold out shows at the 9:30), there is a problem with weak line-ups and week-day/work-day festivals.
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