azaghal1981 wrote:
Granted, I should've said "left wing" instead of "liberal" because that was how he was described by a few resident conservatives before the thread fell off the cliff into reptilian abyss but:
He has never come out in support of full abortion rights ("late-term abortions");
He has never come out in support of full gay equality (marriage);
And his healthcare plan is a sham that makes the insurance companies even richer.
Not to mention his very un-left wing foreign policy up to now.
ggw wrote:
Per wikipedia, Moderna American Liberalism "combines social liberalism and social progressivism with support for a welfare state and a mixed economy…voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government entitlements such as education and health care."
Under what definition of "Liberal" does Obama not qualify?
Actually, he's not even liberal in the Modern sense of the word! He's not taking from the rich and redistributing to the poor. Instead, he's stealing from everyone and giving to the already ultra super rich! That is not 'Socialism' of any form. At best, that's Fascist corporate welfare!
Also, to support your claims, Az:
He has not legalized or decriminalized marijuana. If anything, he's sent his goon squad after the somewhat legalized merchants and such. (Those grey areas really need to straightened out.)
He claimed he would get rid of the oppressive Patriot Act. Not only did he NOT get rid of it, he signed on to extend it and added to it to make it worse!
More wars!
Pretty much nothing about BP and the Gulf oil spill. (Many, many years ago, I use to believe that 'liberals' were big on going after big corporations about such corporate abuse and environmental disasters and corporate abuses. Either I was wrong back then or something has changed.)
He keeps letting the big banksters and other very large corporations rob from their employees and others while filtering all the money to the top CEOs, embezzlement style. You know, the stuff the Neo-Cons are often accused of (and often rightfully so). (Again, see BP above.)
Ultimately, there's really no difference between he and Bush which is why I often refer to Obama as Bush v 2.1 on steroids. He's just rachetted up all this mess to a whole new level! They both dance under the strings of the same puppet masters so it all makes perfect sense.
They keep going after small farms, the organic food industry and Amish farmers. Some states have already tried to take steps to prevent us, or require us to obtain a license, to have our own gardens! Some use the excuse that it's to prevent us from growing marijuana. What a load of crap! See, it's really the government in lock step with Big Agra to both destroy the 'competition' and gradually prevent us from being self-sufficient. That too is an aspect of Fascism.
I miss the old 60s hippy mentality. The good aspects where they were against wars, true equal rights for all, were into good clean healthy food and living off the land, against bogus business practices and abuses and were not afraid to call out their own when they effed up. For the most part, today's faux liberals are nothing of the sort! Too invested in the party line to recognize the difference. Not all, of course, but way to many have hit the wrong Kool-Aid bin and have lost their minds.
