Maybe we should just impeach Trump

Gordon Sondland: "I mean, this has been a very bad experience for me."
Transcript p.198.

Josh Marshall @joshtpm
“I spent $1 Million buying myself an Ambassadorship and all I got was having to spend another $1 Million on attorney fees because I perjured myself to Congress.”

file under "completely bonkers", and "my daily reminder there is no floor":

White House calls claim that Jared Kushner gave Saudi ruler permission to arrest Jamal Khashoggi before journalist was killed and dismembered 'false nonsense'
- White House calls claim in British conservative news magazine's gossip column  that Jared Kushner green-lighted Jamal Khashoggi's arrest
- Article claims more whistleblowers have come forward to Democrat-led House of Representatives with claims of wrongdoing by Trump officials
- Report says one whistleblower is alleging that Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, approved Saudi plans to arrest Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi
- According to Spectator, Turkey intercepted call between Kushner and Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman, and then used it to gain leverage over Trump
- Trump agreed to remove American troops from northern Syria after a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
- White House official calls report 'false nonsense'', Spectator acknowledged of its own report 'whether any of this is true is another matter'

incompetence, criminal foreign policy, blackmail (AKA LOSING), back-channel illegal communication, more incompetence: yup, checks out.  now new and improved,  comes with additional whistleblowers!!!

"The report claims that investigators on the Democratic-led House Intelligence Committee are aware of these allegations and are planning to dig further into them while pursuing the impeachment inquiry over Trump's dealings with Ukraine.   

It also claims that the number of intelligence 'whistleblowers' who have given or are willing to give evidence to the House Intelligence Committee's impeachment inquiry is seven, one of whom has made the claim about Kushner."

i know it's from a gossip column but please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true please let this be true …

While I support impeachment at the end of the day I hope he is defeated at the ballot box.

hutch wrote:
While I support impeachment at the end of the day I hope he is defeated at the ballot box.

there is very little the russians and other foreigners can do to interfere in an impeachment, AKA it's more of a sure thing.  also, the timing would be horrible for the GOP - with trump out, they'll be scrambling for a new candidate for 2020.  i'm not certain that pence, vowing to avenge the "wrongful removal" of trump, would gain sufficient traction. trump's mindless masses stay home in disillusionment.  the end.

And justice for all.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50315490

Space wrote:
And justice for all.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50315490

To be fair, I hate this sort of stuff. This person isn't really qualified for this. This is like Joe The Plumber getting an ambassadorship.

Julian, wrote:

Space wrote:
And justice for all.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50315490

To be fair, I hate this sort of stuff. This person isn't really qualified for this. This is like Joe The Plumber getting an ambassadorship.

So you do have a point, but it's very symbolic and Dems get so few 'poke them in the eye' moments
The republicans get them daily, so I'm ok with this one

I don't think that the position of supervisor for the Algonkian District in Loudoun County, Virginia is the kind of position that will take the commonwealth down
I am sure most didn't even know who the former person in that role or what that person actually does

and who knows, she might evolve into a formidable politician
how many people running for Supervisor have tons of 'qualified' experience

Julian, wrote:

Space wrote:
And justice for all.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50315490

To be fair, I hate this sort of stuff. This person isn't really qualified for this. This is like Joe The Plumber getting an ambassadorship.

Give me a break. This woman was elected Supervisor for the Algonkian District. Whatever the hell that is.  Who *would* be qualified for that job? It's certainly not an ambassadorship.

Also, this woman  received an MBA in Marketing from Johns Hopkins University in 1998. Joe the Plumber served in the Air Force for four years and seems to have never taken a college course. Color me elitist, but I'd hire someone with an MBA from Hopkins before I would someone with no college education.

Edit: I see Hatch was typing out the same point…

Hutchette attended a fundraiser for the person in question

I think it’s great she got elected

I assume Julian is just playing up to his elitist persona

I'm not trying to play up anything. The primary reason people are excited about this woman getting elected is she flipped someone we don't like off. That's super funny, but its also not exactly a reason to elect someone. Do I know anything about her platform? No. Do I know who else was running for this position? No. But neither does anyone else on here and neither does any article about her reveal any of this. Its all very much presented as "lol, trolling the Boomers".

What happened to when they go low, we go high?

Space wrote:
Also, this woman  received an MBA in Marketing from Johns Hopkins University in 1998. Joe the Plumber served in the Air Force for four years and seems to have never taken a college course. Color me elitist, but I'd hire someone with an MBA from Hopkins before I would someone with no college education.

Fair enough. My analogy was hyperbolic.

Julian, wrote:
What happened to when they go low, we go high?

I know this is strange coming from me…I'm so tired of getting(going) High
I think that we need to 95% of the time, but eveyonce in a while, we get to do this

I have an impeachment question.

If he is impeached and removed before election day 2020, does that disqualify him from running/being elected in 2020, or afterwards?

challanged wrote:
If he is impeached and removed before election day 2020, does that disqualify him from running/being elected in 2020, or afterwards?

No.

Julian, wrote:

challanged wrote:
If he is impeached and removed before election day 2020, does that disqualify him from running/being elected in 2020, or afterwards?

No.

Badass.  MANGA!

Julian, wrote:

challanged wrote:
If he is impeached and removed before election day 2020, does that disqualify him from running/being elected in 2020, or afterwards?

No.

Incorrect, per the lawyer dude Elie on CNN. Will looks it up later, but he answered this exact question from a viewer: removal does mean he can't run again, but impeachment without conviction (removal) = can run again.

challanged wrote:
I have an impeachment question.

If he is impeached and removed before election day 2020, does that disqualify him from running/being elected in 2020, or afterwards?

well I think Jules is correct, but the timing would be tricky
as I think if we got 17 senators to flip, I think the earliest would be after the early primaries
I think he'd need to 're-register' and get tons of signatures in each state to get on the ballot for the GOP primary and some states have already canceled them
He could go 3rd party and given his base, there is a chance that he could pull that off

hoestly, there is a better chance of me winning the lottery than the GOP senators voting to convict him in the senate
even with some pretty damming evidence
he's still in the high 80's GOP voter support, unless that dipps below 60 I don't think we'll see many flips
They are going down with this ship (and lining their pockets with gold on the way down)

Edit… the Canadian seems to think that if convicted he can't run for president again?

Legal analyst's name is Elie Honig. He does these Q & A columns on CNN. Can't look it up right now, will try to remember tonight.

Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney stood up Democrats in their impeachment inquiry, skipping his 9 a.m. deposition.

Good stuff
Tom🏳️‍🌈#ITMFA @tombuchberger
I'm pretty sure Mulvaney was afraid his face would melt off if someone brought out the Ark again.  #RaidersOfTheLostGOP


Trump just love fucking with the news and the left…but you are never quite sure