Maybe we should just impeach Trump

eat wrote:
we should probably start an impeachy thread…

fine, i'll pick up the mantle.

i saw a really good image/meme thingy this morning, something to the effect of "for trump supporters, it's not about right or wrong.  it's about winning or losing."  it went on with an explanation about how they need to stick with trump no matter what, otherwise they would have to admit they lost.  but i can't find that image anymore, so instead i offer you: Trump’s Defenders Have Adopted a Doctrine of Infallibility.  good read.

You literally saw that on here.  ;D Already posted.

lol.  well that explains why i couldn't find it on any of my social media.

second whistleblower forthcoming?!?

Remember when incel type guys were able to bag wives from less privileged countries simply because the women would marry them because they wanted to be Americans? It seems like Trump is making us into a country less desirable to come to and in turn these incels are never going to find wives.

What in gods name made you think of this?

Space wrote:
Remember when incel type guys were able to bag wives from less privileged countries simply because the women would marry them because they wanted to be Americans? It seems like Trump is making us into a country less desirable to come to and in turn these incels are never going to find wives.

My God, if he loses the mail order bride voting bloc, he's really in trouble.

But seriously, this is so random.

yes, this is indeed a random observation - but it's in keeping with the times, so carry on sir.

spotted at the library of congress

This seems foolish in that it will give loony Giuliani a chance to lie on the floor of congress…which he is sure to do and then face legal issues with that lie

Lindsey Graham tweeted Tuesday that he would offer Rudy Giuliani a chance to testify before the committee about his "concerns"  that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor investigating his son.


Also, can someone give me a good reason not to have the dems have a vote to begin the impeachment process
one line of reasoning is Trump wants to force House Democrats in vulnerable races to be on the record
My understanding that Pelosi can hold the vote, but still not grant GOP wishes to grandstand on the floor and issue useless soapens

I know this is soo last week (which might as well be last decade with the news cycle of late)

What happens now that the Administration won't let witnesses be deposed? Federal Court gets involved? How? Any impeachment/con law scholars on here?

challanged wrote:
What happens now that the Administration won't let witnesses be deposed? Federal Court gets involved? How? Any impeachment/con  law scholars on here?

I see what you did there….
what would stop them from doing that again?
and if that's the case, what are you waiting for Nancy

Spencer Hsu @hsu_spencer
DEVELOPING Trump Justice Dept. asks U.S. judge to reject House Judiciary Committee request for Mueller grand jury materials, argues courts in 1974 wrongly gave Congress the Watergate grand jury 'roadmap' that led to President Nixon's impeachment.

So the angle is that supreme court was wrong in 74 to comply with the House's request and Nixon was unjustly impeached?

Wow…shit just keeps getting crazier

Cap't wrote:
and Nixon was unjustly impeached?

Nixon was not impeached.  He resigned while the House was proceeding with their Impeachment inquiry.

What are the odds that Trump is not impeached, does not resign, is re-elected, and things get much worse for at least four years?

Space wrote:
What are the odds that Trump is not impeached, does not resign, is re-elected, and things get much worse for at least four years?

sadly the odds are not that bad on that
I'd find it hard if the evidence is laid out clearly that the independents will go Pro-trump like they did against hil

but WTFdoEyeNo

Cap't wrote:
This seems foolish in that it will give loony Giuliani a chance to lie on the floor of congress…which he is sure to do and then face legal issues with that lie

Lindsey Graham tweeted Tuesday that he would offer Rudy Giuliani a chance to testify before the committee about his "concerns"  that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor investigating his son.

ok…that was a blip…back to your talk about smoking joints onstage
Rudy Giuliani told the Washington Post in an interview Tuesday that he will not testify or provide documents to the House Intelligence Committee until its chairman, Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), is removed and the full House votes to authorize a formal impeachment inquiry.

See how he added a condition that will surely not be met

Again, is there a good argument for not holding the vote…there has to be and I'm just not seeing it

Edit…I like this opinion
Jonathan Allen @jonallendc
Subtext: Republicans want a vote on impeachment or impeachment inquiry as soon as possible because poll numbers are moving away from Trump and they want to lock in a high-water vote total. Democrats want to wait because numbers are moving in their favor and want a higher # later.

Cap't wrote:
Also, can someone give me a good reason not to have the dems have a vote to begin the impeachment process
one line of reasoning is Trump wants to force House Democrats in vulnerable races to be on the record
My understanding that Pelosi can hold the vote, but still not grant GOP wishes to grandstand on the floor and issue useless soapens

I know this is soo last week (which might as well be last decade with the news cycle of late)

mixed in with the Dem's desire to wait for even better numbers and not wanting to lock in the votes of at-risk reps: i suspect that Pelosi doesn't want to be bossed around.  she wants to snub the GOP. 

good stuff….
Jon Favreau @jonfavs
The official White House position is that they’ll only cooperate with an impeachment inquiry if Congress ends the impeachment inquiry.

Why Democrats aren't planning to vote on an impeachment inquiry

vindication:

"If we want to do it, we'll do it. If we don't, we don't," Pelosi told the Atlanta Journal Constitution's editorial board Friday. "But we're certainly not going to do it because of the President."

Wise words from a rocker