Insurrection 2021

hutch wrote:

It’s the same stupid arguments from the last impeachment: once the evidence comes out Yada Yada

Don't drag me into another sideinfo argument where he doesn't have his facts straight.

Emergency wrote:

Tim Kaine: “To do a trial knowing you’ll get 55 votes at the max seems to me to be not the right prioritization of our time. Obviously we do a trial — maybe we can do it fast.”

I guess we're all in support of our local senator in this sentiment.  We won't get a conviction, but we can throw some shade.  Let's just let the shade only last for one week. 

Sorry…it automatically capitalized


It wouldn’t bother me much if it was just Sidehatch but it’s actually the mainstream liberal view… that’s what bothers me…

Liberals just setting themselves up for failure

If liberals had a more realistic understanding it wouldn’t matter much if he got convicted or not

As things stand expect the usual handwringing, stories about how democrats lost the impeachment fight while also losing their ability to enact their agenda in the first 100 days , and of course Trump rising

No ability to frame it..

It really doesn’t matter if he is convicted…we have to do it cause he tried to burn down the Capitol…do it quickly and get it over with knowing full well it ain’t going anywhere

I mean we all fall for the idea  some Republicans are decent -every once in a while- but they just aren’t..

So did Jessica Watkins enter the military as a man or a woman?

sweetcell wrote:
Architect Of The Capitol Outlines $30 Million In Damages From Pro-Trump Riot

I know that's only 10 cents per American, but they really should make Trump pay for it instead of taxpayers.

Or the organizers of  Steal the Vote (yes they called it stop the steal, but I think mislabeled)

We need new laws or regulations for voting rights and news media.

Both present their own set of complications and am doubtful either will happen

hutch wrote:
We need new laws or regulations for….news media.

Both present their own set of complications and am doubtful either will happen

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There were regulations on news.. something like the fair doctrine

When it was eliminated around 89 is when rush Limbaugh took off


Here it is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine

I heard recently that Fox can 100% survive and do well with zero advertising
Every person who has cable is paying $5~ a month in their bundle to get fox included
so my understanding is people need to push hard on the cable providers to remove fox from all bundles and may it a pay for service
then only about 5% of people would pay $5 a month and their business would crater


Fairness doctrine doesn't really work with the internet
when you only got news from 3 different channels and 3-5 different local/national news sources…you could make it work
now people will tune out any 'fairness' and just go to a place that gives them the news they want to see with none of the fair crap

This seems stupid


I mean then Fox News viewers push hard to remove CNN?


Where do people come up with this shit?

The point is freedom of speech etc doesn’t cover everything.. you can’t yell fire in a movie theater but you can say the election was stolen and people need to fight and the dominion machines were rigged KNOWING it’s untrue? You can just spout none sense under the guise of news to get people frothing and that’s ok? Sorry I don’t see it..

No to mention the links between right wing news and Trump
How is it freedom of speech to have Trump - when president-telling Fox what to say and Hannity telling Trump what to say? That kind of collusion at the expense of truth is not freedom of anything and doesn’t serve democracy

It’s practically Pravda


But actually closer to fascism…a link between business and government to rule

I mean reading paragraph 3…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

hutch wrote:
I mean then Fox News viewers push hard to remove CNN?

CNN would close its doors immediately without advertisers, they don't get that much from cable fees (maybe .50 cents per user?!)
Fox gets a substantial amount from the cable companies as Murdoch and co pushed them for years to raise the fees…and not a single consumer understood or complained that they were basically giving Fox $60 a year to stay in business


Now the collision between Fox and the GOP is somewhat insane, that I feel should be looked into and laws created
FOX has been very deft about some of this…hannity/tucker have stated in court cases that they are not news, but entertainment

I call bullshit


Fox News Channel does not get ten times more than CNN


Maybe Fox channel plus Fox News plus Fox Business plus who knows what else

Ok…my numbers were off
https://unfoxmycablebox.com/

A typical household pays Fox News almost $2 per month
Fox News makes approximately $1.8 billion per year from hidden subscriber fees–twice as much as CNN and three times as much as MSNBC.

The whole it’s freedom of speech to justify Fox News is stupid


Imagine if al qaeda had a channel!? It would have been shut down stat

What we are facing in the US is a traitorous “political party” that does not believe in democracy working with media, using social media etc to advance an anti-American agenda

The sooner we get this the better..

hutch wrote:
What we are facing in the US is a traitorous “political party” that does not believe in democracy working with media, using social media etc to advance an anti-American agenda

I agree with this take…I think we would need to remove the filibuster to get anything done
there are more than 75 million American who are AOK with the GOP and Fox…so there is that too

Oh and we are likely screwed in the house in 2022…so Biden and the Dems need to act quick and get shit on the books
I could care less if they scream "they are ramming this through"

Martian-hatch wrote:
Oh and we are likely screwed in the house in 2022…so Biden and the Dems need to act quick and get shit on the books
I could care less if they scream "they are ramming this through"

I really hope this kind of stuff fractures the party, but really doesn't seem too at all and 2022 and 2024 they will be going full bore trump all the time

“About 75 percent of Republican primary voters said supporting Donald Trump is a requirement for office.” https://politico.com/news/2021/02/25/gop-2024-trump-471565

you read that right…a requirement to run in a primary for GOP